Yet another... recycling plant fire

[Digga]

Zoon said:

Rather unfortunate chain of events
7th July 2015 - Company in court over a death.
8th July 2015 - Company site on fire?
10th July - Company director's syndicate wins Euromillions.
11th July - Company director's syndicate's horse wins 3:30 at Newmarket

Uncanny.

[funkyrobot]

Still burning well:

http://www.sleafordtarget.co.uk/Major-Ancaster-ong...

[hornetrider]

Zoon said:

Rather unfortunate chain of events
7th July 2015 - Company in court over a death.
8th July 2015 - Company site on fire?

Dodgy as fk! What more fking information do they need!!

[Digga]

Well, fair play to the EA. They really are getting behind the law and making some pretty hefty prosecution cases stick: http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-new...

article said:

Tony Shepherd was ordered to pay back £350,000 and this figure could rise to £1.2million, a court heard

[hornetrider]

Just down the road from me this one. Third fire in two years eh? Unlucky. Dreadfully unlucky.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/black...

[Martin4x4]

Transwaste are the same, three mysterious fires, in six years 2009, 2010, 2014. A convenient way of destroying rubbish that would cost them a fortune to send to land fill.

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Transwaste-confirms...
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Owner-fears-second-...
http://www.humbersidefire.gov.uk/uploads/files/289...

Procecuted when one of their employees had his arm ripped off by machinery

http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2011/coi-yh-8311.htm

Their drivers have also killed two cyclists, serverly injusred another, killed a car passenger and severly injured the driver through dangerous driving.

• Trans Waste Driver knocks cycles off bike and nearly kills him on Spring Bank, Hull 10th June 2013

• Trans waste Driver John Jenkinson Kills car Passenger on A1079 on 15th June 2011 while driving without due care and attention.

• Trans Waste Driver causes serious accident on Church Road 3rd September 2008.

• Trans Waste Driver procecuted for killing cyclist Colin Leach at Daltry/Castle street May 2005.

[Mr GrimNasty]

Recycling debunked by P&T.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh-KDa_Jmok

(Yes, it is uneconomic and polluting/wasteful!!!!!, except for aluminium - unless of course you make it economic by massive landfill charges and subsidies - which is fake economics and just amounts to more taxation - and is still polluting/wasteful of resources like water for cleaning anyway.)

[NoNeed]

I have noticed a lot of these making the news again recently.

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/update/2015-07-24/e...

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wale...

Now today I notice this, not a big one but made me think of the threa again.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news...


It can't be a coincidence can it?

[Pesty]

Coincidence nothing to see here move along now.

[PugwasHDJ80]

when you end with the economics of the recycling industry its not really a surprise.

They are paid per tonne to take the waste in, but have to pay to ship the waste out to someone else. Much cheaper not to have this cost and just burn it all! Coupled to this the cost of actually dealing with the waste is quite a significant investment- a shredder will easily set you back 7 figures.

If we had a more sensible planning framework- perhaps where energy from waste was automatically approved then we wouldn't have these problems as we'd be turning our waste into elextricity.

[PRTVR]

Not a fire, but a business of a similar type, £78 million fraud probe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34334207
Waste management appears to attract a certain type of person.
I have driven past one of their so called land fill sites, I say so called because this one was like a small hill, not filling a hole in the ground.

[StevieBee]

PugwasHDJ80 said:

They are paid per tonne to take the waste in, but have to pay to ship the waste out to someone else. Much cheaper not to have this cost and just burn it all! Coupled to this the cost of actually dealing with the waste is quite a significant investment- a shredder will easily set you back 7 figures.

If we had a more sensible planning framework- perhaps where energy from waste was automatically approved then we wouldn't have these problems as we'd be turning our waste into elextricity.

That isn't how it works.

Recycling is a commodity. The processors don't 'pay' to ship it on to someone else, they receive payment for selling the material. Like all commodities, the value of it goes up and down and sometimes, they'll stockpile it until the value creeps up.

Energy from Waste is a good solution but can never be the only one. For the kit to work requires waste to be delivered to it of a very specific composition to exacting regularity. The ability on these factors vary enormously depending where in the country you are.

[PugwasHDJ80]

StevieBee said:

PugwasHDJ80 said:

They are paid per tonne to take the waste in, but have to pay to ship the waste out to someone else. Much cheaper not to have this cost and just burn it all! Coupled to this the cost of actually dealing with the waste is quite a significant investment- a shredder will easily set you back 7 figures.

If we had a more sensible planning framework- perhaps where energy from waste was automatically approved then we wouldn't have these problems as we'd be turning our waste into elextricity.

That isn't how it works.

Recycling is a commodity. The processors don't 'pay' to ship it on to someone else, they receive payment for selling the material. Like all commodities, the value of it goes up and down and sometimes, they'll stockpile it until the value creeps up.

Energy from Waste is a good solution but can never be the only one. For the kit to work requires waste to be delivered to it of a very specific composition to exacting regularity. The ability on these factors vary enormously depending where in the country you are.

These guys with the fires aren't processors though. you would call them "aggregators" perhaps.

They certainly aren't producing SRF/RDF, nor are they producing Fines, Bio for AD, bulk for export or any other of the million and one uses.

EfW would certainly help and processing it certainly isn't rocket science- the germans make mnunicipal plans around their EfW plants!

[hornetrider]

Cardiff today.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/live-updates-fir...

"This is the second large fire at Atlantic Recycling this year as more than 30 firefighters spent three hours battling a blaze at the site in August"



Seems legit.

[Fartomatic5000]

Oh look, another one...

Police in Craigavon are treating a fire at a recycling plant which spread to their Kiltarriff Drive home as suspicious.

Read more: http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/northern-ireland-...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-3515...

A home destroyed and the family's lives put at risk when the recycling plant went up in flames. Please note that the weather in NI has been dire over the last few weeks as it normally is, lots of rain, everything sodden etc but yet these recycling centres seem to be highly flammable...


BBC said:
"Last month, the assembly heard that since 2010, there had been 18 fires at waste recycling sites across Northern Ireland."

[Digga]

Guess what?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-35...

[V8mate]

Digga said:

Guess what?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-35...

Not much point, deliberately setting fire to metal, is there?

[Mr GrimNasty]

V8mate said:

Digga said:

Guess what?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-35...

Not much point, deliberately setting fire to metal, is there?

No, but given landfill costs, it is probably worth setting fire to all the other plastic and rubbish that is cleaned off the metal to make it more valuable.

[Digga]

Mr GrimNasty said:

V8mate said:

Digga said:

Guess what?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-35...

Not much point, deliberately setting fire to metal, is there?

No, but given landfill costs, it is probably worth setting fire to all the other plastic and rubbish that is cleaned off the metal to make it more valuable.

Scam spotted.

Plus, right now, with most commodities on their arse, most scrap's not worth what it was.

[Mr GrimNasty]

With the possible exception of metals, and especially aluminium, it isn't financially or ecologically worth recycling anything, it never has been. In fact it is positively wasteful. It's just about ideology, control, and taxation.