Yet another... recycling plant fire

Yet another... recycling plant fire

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V8mate

45,899 posts

189 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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Quite an old article. I wonder if they've been allowed to persist with that approach?

Oakey

27,585 posts

216 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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HMRC have some guidelines on it:

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/news/scrap-metal-cash-reg.h...

Doesn't seem too difficult to get around!

andy43

9,723 posts

254 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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I believe our local scrapper has started their own cheque cashing service too.
Any law you can think of, people will find a way around it.

irocfan

40,485 posts

190 months

Wednesday 12th February 2014
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so long story short - keep on thieving?

andy43

9,723 posts

254 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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Basically, yes.

I've weighed stuff in from building works, using the boot of my car. Drive in, estate full of mixed scrap, they take a peek in through the window, see it's 'mixed' scrap and direct the full car onto a weighbridge.
They weigh with you still in the drivers seat, note reg number and weight, then you're left to reverse up and tip your scrap out onto the pile by yourself. You could tip pretty much anything, provided it's covered by other stuff when you drive in, and you're quick enough to get it out of the car and cover it with more scrap. Old crt TVs, broken vacuum cleaners, dismembered body parts, all sorts. After tipping, you drive back to reweigh, and get paid the difference. There are no toilets on site for any sneaky extra weight losses hehe

Copper and lead is different - that's more closely examined in a separate shed as it's more valuable, but I'd imagine if you'd stripped off any cable insulation that had ID marks on it you'd get away with it if you took in small amounts each time.

Then you go to the counter and they can either issue a cheque or put the payment onto your bank card. Cheque clearing is just down the road, yards away I believe.

Back onto recycling centres, I'd love to know if all this recycling is actually economically viable - has anyone ever worked out the total cost (or carbons if you wear sandals) of extra bin trucks, more staff, recycling plants and their fires, fire engines and firemen, smoke inhalation etc etc.
A new-ish recycling plant near me was on fire for weeks last august - here - 2 years after the last fire - here - after much uproar about the smell.
Last august was horrendous, with really nasty smelling smog hanging over hundreds of houses for weeks.
If I were a betting man I'd say the smell of rotting waste and the issue of fires might be related...

richardxjr

7,561 posts

210 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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andy43 said:
I believe our local scrapper has started their own cheque cashing service too.
Any law you can think of, people will find a way around it.
A mate runs our local one. Apparently, they can still pay out cash. Only to fine travelling folk. Because of their itinerant status, it is against their ooman rights to be expected to have bank accounts.





northwest monkey

6,370 posts

189 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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richardxjr said:
andy43 said:
I believe our local scrapper has started their own cheque cashing service too.
Any law you can think of, people will find a way around it.
A mate runs our local one. Apparently, they can still pay out cash. Only to fine travelling folk. Because of their itinerant status, it is against their ooman rights to be expected to have bank accounts.
My local council run tip used to be a bit like that. I couldn't borrow my neighbours van to take garden waste (tree branches etc) from my own garden to the tip as "you must have a commercial permit for commercial waste". "Travellers" however are allowed in driving whatever they like as "they can't get permits because they don't have an address".

confused

Swervin_Mervin

4,454 posts

238 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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andy43 said:
Back onto recycling centres, I'd love to know if all this recycling is actually economically viable - has anyone ever worked out the total cost (or carbons if you wear sandals) of extra bin trucks, more staff, recycling plants and their fires, fire engines and firemen, smoke inhalation etc etc.
A new-ish recycling plant near me was on fire for weeks last august - here - 2 years after the last fire - here - after much uproar about the smell.
Last august was horrendous, with really nasty smelling smog hanging over hundreds of houses for weeks.
If I were a betting man I'd say the smell of rotting waste and the issue of fires might be related...
All depends on the operators. The Bredbury facility you're on about is a private operator and they AFAIK don't take municipal waste so rely on commercial contracts and skip hire etc. They wouldn't do it if it didn't make them money wink


Sgt Bilko

1,929 posts

215 months

Monday 3rd March 2014
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-26...
Started late last night, ongoing as of early this evening.

AJS-

15,366 posts

236 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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Oh dear!
What was it this time - another stray Chinese lantern? Unseasonal firework? Cigarette end? Or some novel turn of terrible fortune that just caused a few thousand tons of sensibly stored landfill recyclables to go up in smoke?

Sgt Bilko

1,929 posts

215 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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AJS- said:
Oh dear!
What was it this time - another stray Chinese lantern? Unseasonal firework? Cigarette end? Or some novel turn of terrible fortune that just caused a few thousand tons of sensibly stored landfill recyclables to go up in smoke?
It was a covered facility, doubt it was a lantern.

hab1966

1,097 posts

212 months

Wednesday 5th March 2014
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And another,

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/horwich/110402...

There's been a number of fires on that site (loco works) over the years.

LJTS

331 posts

183 months

AJS-

15,366 posts

236 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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A "significant" fire? Haha. I guess recycling plants have insignificant ones even more frequently than we hear about them. I'm guessing this one was caused by sparks flying from an overloaded gravy train.

dudleybloke

19,841 posts

186 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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that tipton site has burnt a few times over the yeats.

Digga

40,329 posts

283 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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It seems clear to all of us that a pattern has emerged.

Does not seem to be any cohesive, corresponding recognition or action from the EA or government. Yet another example of big government being slow enough on its feet to cause the country problems.

Chrisgr31

13,481 posts

255 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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An alternative approach is just to dump it all http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-...

AJS-

15,366 posts

236 months

Tuesday 11th March 2014
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Chrisgr31 said:
An alternative approach is just to dump it all http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-...
Looks like the Todd brothers were a bit slow off the mark with the petrol.

AJS-

15,366 posts

236 months

Tuesday 11th March 2014
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Just out of interest, was the title meant to be "Yes, another..." or "Yet another recycling plant fire"?

V8mate

45,899 posts

189 months

Tuesday 11th March 2014
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AJS- said:
Just out of interest, was the title meant to be "Yes, another..." or "Yet another recycling plant fire"?
Bugs you too, eh? hehe