How many Romanian/Bulgarian migrants are you predicting?
Poll: How many Romanian/Bulgarian migrants are you predicting?
Total Members Polled: 517
Discussion
Tabloid headlines claim 'In January, the only thing left will be the goat'
, UKIP thinks 29 million, lefties don't care as we will all live happily ever after and the coalition refuse to give any number at all...
The pull factors are going to be strong due to wage differences (UK recruitment companies are already advertising there for Jan starts), however a fair few are already over under the limited restriction workarounds, other European countries are also lifting the restrictions at the same time and many will stay as they were; how many do you think we will get over 3 years or so?
, UKIP thinks 29 million, lefties don't care as we will all live happily ever after and the coalition refuse to give any number at all...The pull factors are going to be strong due to wage differences (UK recruitment companies are already advertising there for Jan starts), however a fair few are already over under the limited restriction workarounds, other European countries are also lifting the restrictions at the same time and many will stay as they were; how many do you think we will get over 3 years or so?
Who knows, that is after all the problem. One figure we do know is the arrest rate for Romanians is at least 10 times that of some other EU countries from those already here, with the equivalent of one in three having been arrested in just the Met Police area alone.
Let me clarify that - the equivalent one in three of all Romanians in the country arrested from figures from just the Met Police. Add in Police forces countrywide and that figure could mean that the equivalent of 50% have been arrested for something or other.
Still. with two million people still unemployed, I'm sure someone is going to say they are needed and won't have any effect on anything in the UK and to say stop being racist.
Let me clarify that - the equivalent one in three of all Romanians in the country arrested from figures from just the Met Police. Add in Police forces countrywide and that figure could mean that the equivalent of 50% have been arrested for something or other.
Still. with two million people still unemployed, I'm sure someone is going to say they are needed and won't have any effect on anything in the UK and to say stop being racist.
You cannot blame them, you need to look at those who have allowed this to happen. We will accept them as good EU members, house and feed them see to their medical needs and smile whilst doing it.
The Gypsie population over there are treated as worthless by their own country and will undoubtedly be encouraged to move. Our soft sentancing will make their criminal ways less risky than elsewhere in the EU. We will never know the figures as no one in power will want to admit the true figure.
The Gypsie population over there are treated as worthless by their own country and will undoubtedly be encouraged to move. Our soft sentancing will make their criminal ways less risky than elsewhere in the EU. We will never know the figures as no one in power will want to admit the true figure.
Migration flows of great magnitude from these countries already happened so I doubted that more than 1 million will rech UK in 3 years time. Where I live in Turin, there are already 60k Romanian officially residing. Over 150k strangers in total, which equates to almost 15% of the actual population in the city, or 10% of the metropolitan area. And you have increase those number to include all the illegal immigrants.
spaximus said:
You cannot blame them, you need to look at those who have allowed this to happen. We will accept them as good EU members, house and feed them see to their medical needs and smile whilst doing it.
The Gypsie population over there are treated as worthless by their own country and will undoubtedly be encouraged to move. Our soft sentancing will make their criminal ways less risky than elsewhere in the EU. We will never know the figures as no one in power will want to admit the true figure.
Good post - this will end up badly, for those coming and the recent influx of immigrants too. Patience, tolerance is wearing thin with the onslaught and especially whilst we have our own quite substantial economic/resource problems. The Rumanian/Bulgarian are not suffering anything except economic problems. The problem is landing at our doorstop soon. A 5 year freeze on all immigration would be a brave step, but lacks leadership. And it is an EU tax that we cannot buck.The Gypsie population over there are treated as worthless by their own country and will undoubtedly be encouraged to move. Our soft sentancing will make their criminal ways less risky than elsewhere in the EU. We will never know the figures as no one in power will want to admit the true figure.
Can't quantify it with a figure, but I'd probably say; too many.
Fact of the matter is, a majority of them coming will be low skilled workers, and with an indigenous population who could do low skilled jobs waiting in the wings, I'd say we don't need them. Yes you could say; "lazy Brits won't do the jobs though, would rather claim benefits instead" which could be true for quite a lot, so it's obvious to tackle it, restricting immigration isn't a sole answer, and changes to other government policy is truly needed to work. But in saying that, I don't think the solution to "Brits won't do the jobs" problem, isn't to still let them in, you have to start somewhere and creating the vacuum where there are low skilled jobs and no low skilled foreign labour to fill it is a small start.
I don't think any other sensationalist figures of millions and billions of them will become true, but I'd say a fair whack of them will come over, and do the stereotypical thing and live multiple people to a small house, work minimum wage jobs, and send a lot of money back home as its beneficial for them.
I just can't fathom why we would ever need to import people to do the low skilled work we currently import people, well I can actually work it out, it's just a s
te situation.
Imagine flying over to a country with a more stringent immigration policy and saying to them that you're there to mop floors as a profession, I seriously doubt you'd get out of the custody suite in the airport, and probably find yourself on the next flight back to where you came from.
And I don't get people saying as a counter argument that we can now go over there to work? Wow! Pretty sure if you had the right qualifications and experience you would have got permission to work over there anyways, but never mind that, now you too can go over to Romania and be a cleaner on the sub £1 minimum wage listed above, as if that's a positive aspect of the situation?
Fact of the matter is, a majority of them coming will be low skilled workers, and with an indigenous population who could do low skilled jobs waiting in the wings, I'd say we don't need them. Yes you could say; "lazy Brits won't do the jobs though, would rather claim benefits instead" which could be true for quite a lot, so it's obvious to tackle it, restricting immigration isn't a sole answer, and changes to other government policy is truly needed to work. But in saying that, I don't think the solution to "Brits won't do the jobs" problem, isn't to still let them in, you have to start somewhere and creating the vacuum where there are low skilled jobs and no low skilled foreign labour to fill it is a small start.
I don't think any other sensationalist figures of millions and billions of them will become true, but I'd say a fair whack of them will come over, and do the stereotypical thing and live multiple people to a small house, work minimum wage jobs, and send a lot of money back home as its beneficial for them.
I just can't fathom why we would ever need to import people to do the low skilled work we currently import people, well I can actually work it out, it's just a s
te situation.Imagine flying over to a country with a more stringent immigration policy and saying to them that you're there to mop floors as a profession, I seriously doubt you'd get out of the custody suite in the airport, and probably find yourself on the next flight back to where you came from.
And I don't get people saying as a counter argument that we can now go over there to work? Wow! Pretty sure if you had the right qualifications and experience you would have got permission to work over there anyways, but never mind that, now you too can go over to Romania and be a cleaner on the sub £1 minimum wage listed above, as if that's a positive aspect of the situation?
I recently heard that Unison were proposing that employers should pay people the living wage and that this would create more jobs and solve the cost of living crisis.
Why don't we apply similar logic and have a standard minimum wage and benefits entitlement across the EU? Then with a level playing field they'll be no need for migrants to come here.
N.B. - this may be slightly tongue-in-cheek.
Why don't we apply similar logic and have a standard minimum wage and benefits entitlement across the EU? Then with a level playing field they'll be no need for migrants to come here.
N.B. - this may be slightly tongue-in-cheek.
Of course, many decent immigrants will come and make themselves useful and the Left (and centre based government) will champion these people. They'll handily forget about the criminal minority from these countries who have is firmly in their sights. We will feed and house this minority who will create massive problems.
Newc said:
It was just under 0.5m Polish people from a 30% larger population. Poles are generally better educated which would lead to higher movement, but wage differential not as large as Rom/Bul, implying lower movement. So that all balances out and you're in the half-a-million range.
I believe the often quoted figure was 0.8m? "From: Ionut-Andrei Olescu
Hy I have 26 year's a drive verry good and I'm verry interested about your job pizza delivery I'm new in town please give me a call or email if you think I'm the god gay for this job!
Have a good day"
One of many emails I had recently from Romanians(in the car wash industry) and East Europeans with very poor English asking for jobs. Any Locals applying? Nope! Zilch, Nada.
Hy I have 26 year's a drive verry good and I'm verry interested about your job pizza delivery I'm new in town please give me a call or email if you think I'm the god gay for this job!
Have a good day"
One of many emails I had recently from Romanians(in the car wash industry) and East Europeans with very poor English asking for jobs. Any Locals applying? Nope! Zilch, Nada.
allnighter said:
"From: Ionut-Andrei Olescu
Hy I have 26 year's a drive verry good and I'm verry interested about your job pizza delivery I'm new in town please give me a call or email if you think I'm the god gay for this job!
Have a good day"
One of many emails I had recently from Romanians(in the car wash industry) and East Europeans with very poor English asking for jobs. Any Locals applying? Nope! Zilch, Nada.
if you hadn't been in Plymouth i would have ripped ya arm off for that job. Hy I have 26 year's a drive verry good and I'm verry interested about your job pizza delivery I'm new in town please give me a call or email if you think I'm the god gay for this job!
Have a good day"
One of many emails I had recently from Romanians(in the car wash industry) and East Europeans with very poor English asking for jobs. Any Locals applying? Nope! Zilch, Nada.
When you say 'locals' do you mean natives ? lol
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