How many Romanian/Bulgarian migrants are you predicting?

How many Romanian/Bulgarian migrants are you predicting?

Poll: How many Romanian/Bulgarian migrants are you predicting?

Total Members Polled: 517

0-50,000: 7%
50,001 - 100,000: 7%
100,001 - 500,000: 16%
500,001 - 1m: 19%
1m - 5m: 19%
6m - 10m: 5%
10million+: 3%
27.5m (actual population of Bulgaria/Romania): 24%
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Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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vonuber said:
One of our new structural engineers is Romanian.
Site project manager on one of our construction jobs is Romanian.
The meeting I had today at Fosters involved 1 Japanese, 1 Aussie, 1 Indian-Kiwi and a Malaysian (and three English including myself); clients agent is a South African and most of the design team is foreign (including Welsh).

Funny old thing immigration, isn't it.
Why's that funny? Comparing a few specialist skilled people (although faked/false qualifications CVs etc. are rife amongst 'foreign skilled workers') is hardly comparable to having your community 'swamped' by hoards of impoverished unskilled people is it. Still, as long as it isn't your home town where they've decided to set up an enclave, funny old thing that.

vonuber

17,868 posts

164 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Mr GrimNasty said:
Why's that funny? Comparing a few specialist skilled people (although faked/false qualifications CVs etc. are rife amongst 'foreign skilled workers') is hardly comparable to having your community 'swamped' by hoards of impoverished unskilled people is it. Still, as long as it isn't your home town where they've decided to set up an enclave, funny old thing that.
A large proportion of the engineers in my company are foreign because we don't have the British people coming through. We rely on immigration to fill the roles - although there seems to be a concerted effort to give out Apprenticeships to school leavers, but out of the 4 we've taken on in our section 3 have fked off because they found it too difficult. So what are you supposed to do? The foreign employees don't get paid any less than their British counterparts either.
And by 'home town' - if you mean where I am now, London - then it's always been a place of immigrants. if you mean where i grew up - Macclesfield - then people still come and stare at the only Chinese family in the town.

And regards fake CV's.. it's not like people in this country don't do that is it.

wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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vonuber said:
A large proportion of the engineers in my company are foreign because we don't have the British people coming through. We rely on immigration to fill the roles - although there seems to be a concerted effort to give out Apprenticeships to school leavers, but out of the 4 we've taken on in our section 3 have fked off because they found it too difficult. So what are you supposed to do? The foreign employees don't get paid any less than their British counterparts either.
And by 'home town' - if you mean where I am now, London - then it's always been a place of immigrants. if you mean where i grew up - Macclesfield - then people still come and stare at the only Chinese family in the town.

And regards fake CV's.. it's not like people in this country don't do that is it.
how long has your company apprenticeship scheme been running ? the main reason there is a skills deficit in the uk is the lack of investment by uk companies for decades in training,symptomatic of the short termism rife in many uk companies.

NicD

3,281 posts

256 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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and the idiotic Liebor obsession with non degrees instead of vocational training and apprenticeships.

NicD

3,281 posts

256 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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and the idiotic Liebor obsession with non degrees instead of vocational training and apprenticeships.

princealbert23

2,574 posts

160 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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gpo746 said:
Anyway thanks again I wont ask what the interpreters cost I think my urine would get hot at contemplating it.
Around sixty quid an hour is the going rate- most of that goes to the company though and it isnt pro rated

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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NicD said:
and the idiotic Liebor obsession with non degrees instead of vocational training and apprenticeships.
Totally. The apprenticeship scheme was sabotaged from within the political and educational establishments - empire building and blue-sky thinking. People running polytechnics (obviously) loved the idea of 'being' a university and management in the public sector loved the idea of more graduates to find non-jobs for, since bigger departments to manage equals bigger remuneration.

We produced some of the greatest engineers in the post war apprenticeship era. We have employed three guys here in the past who went through the full, 7 year apprenticeship circa 1950 and to a man they were the most competent and capable engineers I've ever worked with. Sadly, all three of these guys are retired, although one of them likes to keep his hand in and grace us with his presence (always welcome) once in a while.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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Mermaid said:
All economic migrants require "0" level English - how's that for a plan.

Not very good for few Brits speak Spanish/French/Italian well. smile

I suppose language requirement if you claim benefits is fair
I was going to suggest that they must speak one of the official languages of the EU, because I thought there were only a few but it seems they're all official now:

Official Languages

What is it?

The European Union has 24 official and working languages. They are:

Bulgarian
French
Maltese
Croatian
German
Polish
Czech
Greek
Portuguese
Danish
Hungarian
Romanian
Dutch
Irish
Slovak
English
Italian
Slovene
Estonian
Latvian
Spanish
Finnish
Lithuanian
Swedish

The first official language policy of what was then the European Community identified Dutch, French, German, and Italian as the official working languages of the EU.
Since then, as more countries have become part of the EU, the number of official and working languages has increased. However, there are fewer official languages than Member States, as some share common languages.
Why is it needed?
The European Commission maintains the policy that all EU citizens have the right to access all EU documents in the official language of the Commission, and should be able to write to the Commission and receive a response in their own language.

What is the Commission doing?

With a permanent staff of 1,750 linguists and 600 support staff, the Commission has one of the largest translation services in the world, bolstered by a further 600 full-time and 3,000 freelance interpreters.

In order to reduce the cost to the European taxpayer, the European Commission is increasingly endeavouring to operate in the three core languages of the European Union; English, French, and German, while developing responsive language policies to serve the remaining 21 official language groups.


Dear me, what a fk up.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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REALIST123 said:
...What is the Commission doing?

With a permanent staff of 1,750 linguists and 600 support staff, the Commission has one of the largest translation services in the world, bolstered by a further 600 full-time and 3,000 freelance interpreters.

In order to reduce the cost to the European taxpayer, the European Commission is increasingly endeavouring to operate in the three core languages of the European Union; English, French, and German, while developing responsive language policies to serve the remaining 21 official language groups.


Dear me, what a fk up.
They all seem to speak English - fire all the linguists & such and use the money for something useful like a cure for Ebola. Optionally each country can fund its own translators.

vonuber

17,868 posts

164 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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wc98 said:
how long has your company apprenticeship scheme been running ? the main reason there is a skills deficit in the uk is the lack of investment by uk companies for decades in training,symptomatic of the short termism rife in many uk companies.
About 4 years. I think we started it due to the chronic lack of decent British graduates (hence our large foreign intake - it's mirrored throughout the industry). We tend to send them on HNC > HND > part time degree.

69 coupe

2,433 posts

210 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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vonuber said:
A large proportion of the engineers in my company are foreign because we don't have the British people coming through. We rely on immigration to fill the roles - although there seems to be a concerted effort to give out Apprenticeships to school leavers, but out of the 4 we've taken on in our section 3 have fked off because they found it too difficult. So what are you supposed to do? The foreign employees don't get paid any less than their British counterparts either.
And by 'home town' - if you mean where I am now, London - then it's always been a place of immigrants. if you mean where i grew up - Macclesfield - then people still come and stare at the only Chinese family in the town.

And regards fake CV's.. it's not like people in this country don't do that is it.
There must be 1000's of older people in the UK that have the relevant qualifications & experience to do what your Company and others require; rather than them rotting away on the Dole whilst sending off CV after CV and been rejected time after time because their not in the hip 20-39 age group anymore; all decided by HR drones and wnakey Recruitment Agencies who file them under 'B'in & then import hip group from abroad. Yet we're are all expected to work until 65 minimum now.

vonuber

17,868 posts

164 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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69 coupe said:
There must be 1000's of older people in the UK that have the relevant qualifications & experience to do what your Company and others require; rather than them rotting away on the Dole whilst sending off CV after CV and been rejected time after time because their not in the hip 20-39 age group anymore; all decided by HR drones and wnakey Recruitment Agencies who file them under 'B'in & then import hip group from abroad. Yet we're are all expected to work until 65 minimum now.
A lot of them have retired. No-one wants to do civil engineering, because it's hard work and the pay is not comparable to other careers.

69 coupe

2,433 posts

210 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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vonuber said:
69 coupe said:
There must be 1000's of older people in the UK that have the relevant qualifications & experience to do what your Company and others require; rather than them rotting away on the Dole whilst sending off CV after CV and been rejected time after time because their not in the hip 20-39 age group anymore; all decided by HR drones and wnakey Recruitment Agencies who file them under 'B'in & then import hip group from abroad. Yet we're are all expected to work until 65 minimum now.
A lot of them have retired. No-one wants to do civil engineering, because it's hard work and the pay is not comparable to other careers.
Sorry I don't buy that at all, its not just Civil Engineering I.T is the same, its the companies policy and Recruitment that have labelled over 40's as not required, people don't just don't become a disabled liability once they hit a certain age, its an unwritten company rule.

Their may be many who have retired at 50, but their are 1000's more pushed out made redundant & they condemned to not getting a sniff due to the way adverts are created where this age group won't ever get a look in. i.e. Degree a must, A* exams required to start the application process, many in the older groups never had Degrees or A* they progressed through companies and gained the skills yet now fail at the first hurdle. It is lazy company polices. Lets get Danuzk from Lithuania instead...

vonuber

17,868 posts

164 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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69 coupe said:
Sorry I don't buy that at all, its not just Civil Engineering I.T is the same, its the companies policy and Recruitment that have labelled over 40's as not required, people don't just don't become a disabled liability once they hit a certain age, its an unwritten company rule.

Their may be many who have retired at 50, but their are 1000's more pushed out made redundant & they condemned to not getting a sniff due to the way adverts are created where this age group won't ever get a look in. i.e. Degree a must, A* exams required to start the application process, many in the older groups never had Degrees or A* they progressed through companies and gained the skills yet now fail at the first hurdle. It is lazy company polices. Lets get Danuzk from Lithuania instead...
Disagree completely. We are struggling to hire people in their 40's and 50's - we need them for the experience they bring to approve designs and help with technically challenging projects.
One of our most recent hires was a guy in his early 50's; in addition the company fought tooth and nail to prevent one of our directors from retiring (persuaded him to come in on a part time basis).

98elise

26,372 posts

160 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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vonuber said:
69 coupe said:
Sorry I don't buy that at all, its not just Civil Engineering I.T is the same, its the companies policy and Recruitment that have labelled over 40's as not required, people don't just don't become a disabled liability once they hit a certain age, its an unwritten company rule.

Their may be many who have retired at 50, but their are 1000's more pushed out made redundant & they condemned to not getting a sniff due to the way adverts are created where this age group won't ever get a look in. i.e. Degree a must, A* exams required to start the application process, many in the older groups never had Degrees or A* they progressed through companies and gained the skills yet now fail at the first hurdle. It is lazy company polices. Lets get Danuzk from Lithuania instead...
Disagree completely. We are struggling to hire people in their 40's and 50's - we need them for the experience they bring to approve designs and help with technically challenging projects.
One of our most recent hires was a guy in his early 50's; in addition the company fought tooth and nail to prevent one of our directors from retiring (persuaded him to come in on a part time basis).
Agreed. My father was an M&E CEng (no degree) aged about 60 when he got made redundant. He thought he would never work again! He was getting offers all over the place. Including from Europe. He spent his last 5 working years contracting.

I'm nearly 50 and contracting in IT (again no degree). I have no problem getting work.

BGARK

5,493 posts

245 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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69 coupe said:
Sorry I don't buy that at all, its not just Civil Engineering I.T is the same, its the companies policy and Recruitment that have labelled over 40's as not required, people don't just don't become a disabled liability once they hit a certain age, its an unwritten company rule.

Their may be many who have retired at 50, but their are 1000's more pushed out made redundant & they condemned to not getting a sniff due to the way adverts are created where this age group won't ever get a look in. i.e. Degree a must, A* exams required to start the application process, many in the older groups never had Degrees or A* they progressed through companies and gained the skills yet now fail at the first hurdle. It is lazy company polices. Lets get Danuzk from Lithuania instead...
I am looking for low level skilled people at the moment in a hands on assembly/manufacturing/engineering factory, care to help us find someone who is British?

PRTVR

7,072 posts

220 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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BGARK said:
69 coupe said:
Sorry I don't buy that at all, its not just Civil Engineering I.T is the same, its the companies policy and Recruitment that have labelled over 40's as not required, people don't just don't become a disabled liability once they hit a certain age, its an unwritten company rule.

Their may be many who have retired at 50, but their are 1000's more pushed out made redundant & they condemned to not getting a sniff due to the way adverts are created where this age group won't ever get a look in. i.e. Degree a must, A* exams required to start the application process, many in the older groups never had Degrees or A* they progressed through companies and gained the skills yet now fail at the first hurdle. It is lazy company polices. Lets get Danuzk from Lithuania instead...
I am looking for low level skilled people at the moment in a hands on assembly/manufacturing/engineering factory, care to help us find someone who is British?
The problem I believe is location, in the north east we had the likes of Samsung and black and Decker who have moved to to eastern Europe, we have some of the highest unemployment levels in the UK, but all the jobs are down south, My daughter moved to Swindon to get employment, I find it mad that we have people looking for employment in one part of the country,while companies struggle to find workers in another.

wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Wednesday 29th October 2014
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vonuber said:
Disagree completely. We are struggling to hire people in their 40's and 50's - we need them for the experience they bring to approve designs and help with technically challenging projects.
One of our most recent hires was a guy in his early 50's; in addition the company fought tooth and nail to prevent one of our directors from retiring (persuaded him to come in on a part time basis).
i can well believe that in your industry. my best man wanted to return to the uk with his family after running several overseas projects to hopefully give the kids a more settled life through schooling.he was quite surprised at the salaries offered and has ended up buggering off overseas again after running one contract.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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Thye are coming, they are coming.... double the previous year . the trend is clear.