How many Romanian/Bulgarian migrants are you predicting?

[Amateurish]

Axionknight said:

Considering that the Soviet Union had already invaded Poland several years before the end of world war two, what would you have had us done? Invade the USSR to appease the Polish whilst still at war with Japan?

Might I remind you of Stalins belligerence on the issue - he refused to allow the Western Allies use of Russian airfields to assist in the Warsaw uprising. He obviously had plans for the whole of Eastern Europe, we had already gone to war once over Polands freedom and six years later we were hardly a country with the capability to take on a militarily powerful nation like the USSR.

I agree, and said pretty much the same thing a few posts up. There was nothing much the UK could do at the time. But that is the basis for a common perception amongst the Poles that they were betrayed.

To be honest, even saying that we fought to defend Poland is pretty unjustified, since we didn't really start fighting Germans until they invaded France.

[z4RRSchris99]

Mrr T said:

This is a post from the Daily Wail so any connection with reality is purely incidental.

The picture shows no more than 20 people who may or may not be looking for work. An MP quoted as saying he see 200 but no pictures and no supporting evidence.

As for not paying tax in the construction industry look at the CIS scheme. Under the scheme the employer has to deduct tax at source on any payment to a sub contractor unless the sub contractor is correctly registered.

Now I am sure some employers may ignore it but the fines and powers of HMRC mean it rare.

they do it outside the B&Q on old kent road, tens and tens of the fkers.

[Mrr T]

Axionknight said:

Amateurish said:

Yes, we defended them from the Nazis, but then surrendered them to Stalin.

Considering that the Soviet Union had already invaded Poland several years before the end of world war two, what would you have had us done? Invade the USSR to appease the Polish whilst still at war with Japan?

Might I remind you of Stalins belligerence on the issue - he refused to allow the Western Allies use of Russian airfields to assist in the Warsaw uprising. He obviously had plans for the whole of Eastern Europe, we had already gone to war once over Polands freedom and six years later we were hardly a country with the capability to take on a militarily powerful nation like the USSR.

I do not think anyone suggests Churchill had any option but to allow Poland to fall under Soviet domination. The question is was this a justification for imposing minimal working restriction in 2004.

[JagLover]

Amateurish said:

It is a common view, and to be fair Churchill did sell Poland down the river at Yalta when Stalin was given half their territory. This included the territory belonging to the hundreds of thousands of Poles who fought for Britain. Although Britain was bankrupt at the time, and probably could do little about the fact of the Soviet occupation. A Polish friend has spent many an hour waxing lyrical about this to me.

Possession is 9/10s of the law. We couldn't do anything about Poland as it had already been overrun by the red army. Where we could get to a country before the Soviets, as with Greece and Denmark we made every effort to do so.

The only alternative to accepting the Soviet domination of eastern Europe would have been to start WW3 in 1945 and the results would have been uncertain to say the least.

How we are therefore to blame I am not entirely sure.

[Mermaid]

How many colonials fought on "our" side - we would be swamped if they all turned up?

[Axionknight]

Mrr T said:

I do not think anyone suggests Churchill had any option but to allow Poland to fall under Soviet domination. The question is was this a justification for imposing minimal working restriction in 2004.

100% not, imo, I'd argue that about any nation though, movement of labour is desirable when beneficial and properly controlled, which clearly, it isn't.

[JagLover]

Mrr T said:

I do not think anyone suggests Churchill had any option but to allow Poland to fall under Soviet domination. The question is was this a justification for imposing minimal working restriction in 2004.

I think we had a responsibility to welcome back Poland, along with the other countries in Eastern Europe. This should have involved support for their membership of the EU, some aid and a limited programme of work VISAs to help them generate foreign currency earnings.

I doubt it particularly benefited them as a whole to have a million or so workers leave the country to come and work here. Why would manufacturers decide to base themselves there if most bright young workers were working elsewhere in the EU?.

[NicD]

JagLover said:

I think we had a responsibility to welcome back Poland, along with the other countries in Eastern Europe. This should have involved support for their membership of the EU, some aid and a limited programme of work VISAs to help them generate foreign currency earnings.

I doubt it particularly benefited them as a whole to have a million or so workers leave the country to come and work here. Why would manufacturers decide to base themselves there if most bright young workers were working elsewhere in the EU?.

we ARE supporting Poland and the other 'emerging' nations in the EU by way of our huge net gift aid. We should not also have to accept unfettered immigration.

Btw, i am happy to read articles from the Mail, certainly in preference to the so called Independent or Guardian, though I read all not behind a paywall.

[mph1977]

NicD said:

we ARE supporting Poland and the other 'emerging' nations in the EU by way of our huge net gift aid. We should not also have to accept unfettered immigration.

Btw, i am happy to read articles from the Mail, certainly in preference to the so called Independent or Guardian, though I read all not behind a paywall.

this proving your bias and closed minded position.

what 'gifts' and 'aid' do we give the Poles ?

please not this does NOT include the following

-In-work benefits
-Child Benefit
-Pensions paid on the basis UK NI reciepts
-EU loans
-EU grants

to work for a red top you have to be a good journalist who can communicate a story in a straightforward manner

to work for a quality Newspaper or even Metro you have to be decent journalist who understands how to check facts , even if your are required to put a slant on the subject

to write for the Mail or the Express you can right any old slap-dash poorly researched / deliberately misunderstood rubbish ... someof the local papers are better put together than the mail and express.

[NicD]

mph1977 said:

NicD said:

we ARE supporting Poland and the other 'emerging' nations in the EU by way of our huge net gift aid. We should not also have to accept unfettered immigration.

Btw, i am happy to read articles from the Mail, certainly in preference to the so called Independent or Guardian, though I read all not behind a paywall.

this proving your bias and closed minded position.

what 'gifts' and 'aid' do we give the Poles ?

please not this does NOT include the following

-In-work benefits
-Child Benefit
-Pensions paid on the basis UK NI reciepts
-EU loans
-EU grants

to work for a red top you have to be a good journalist who can communicate a story in a straightforward manner

to work for a quality Newspaper or even Metro you have to be decent journalist who understands how to check facts , even if your are required to put a slant on the subject

to write for the Mail or the Express you can right any old slap-dash poorly researched / deliberately misunderstood rubbish ... someof the local papers are better put together than the mail and express.

Our 'our huge net gift aid' DOES include all the things you mention, why would it not?

can you evidence a single thing you wrote?

you give lots of opinions, good for you but so what?

.

[69 coupe]

A bit nearer the truth from locals around Honeypot Lane, London, re migrant workers looking for work.

http://www.asianimage.co.uk/news/11640311.Asian_st...

[Mermaid]

"The Romanains are coming" pon CH 9pm every Tuesday

Tonight's episode - race to the bottom it seems.

[Yazar]

Mermaid said:

"The Romanains are coming" pon CH 9pm every Tuesday

Tonight's episode - race to the bottom it seems.

Watched this in catchup. First lot were the dregs of Romania who failed to do anything productive in their own land, and gods knows why, decided to move to the UK with zero english confident of succeeding. The next one could speak English well but has issues as per his tax charges in Canada.

The last one loved the free Jobseekers that magically appeared in his account, and was stupid enough to think the EU gave it to him rather than the UK tax payers! He seems very unlikely indeed to earn enough to cover pay his way, yet can't wait to bring the family over, good old 'in-work' benefits! Got nice new teeth on the NHS too along with free english lessons

Hopefully will open the eyes of a few more of those naive viewers who are less informed on the ongoing coverup by the establishment about unchecked mass immigration.

[BlackLabel]

We now have some of the figures to answer the question in the original post - 55,000 arrived in the year to September. Circa 100,000 have come in 2 years.

skynews said:

Net migration has increased by 31,000 to 323,000 in a year, official figures show as EU "outers" say David Cameron's new deal will do nothing to stem the flow of immigrants.

The figure from the Office for National Statistics, is more than 200,000 higher than the Prime Minister's promised "tens of thousands", a target he maintains he can hit, insisting the EU agreement will help him do so.

EU net migration alone, the difference between the number of people arriving in the UK and the number leaving, reached 172,000 in the year to September - an increase from 158,000 the previous year.

It has been driven by a "statistically significant" increase in the number of people coming to the UK from Bulgaria and Romania - 55,000 in the year to September (a 38% increase). The two countries now account for more than a fifth of total EU immigration.

http://news.sky.com/story/1648405/uk-net-migration-up-by-31000-ons-figures

[danllama]

And they are all sending all their hard earned home!

I know this because my girlfriend is Romanian. They come purely to earn decent bread. Fair play.

Doesn't do fk all for our economy though, does it? So that argument for mass immigration goes straight out the window.

[anonymous-user]

depends, drives down inflation as well adds fuel to housing market.

[eharding]

danllama said:

And they are all sending all their hard earned home!

I know this because my girlfriend is Romanian. They come purely to earn decent bread. Fair play.

Doesn't do fk all for our economy though, does it? So that argument for mass immigration goes straight out the window.

Think of it a providing a social service.

These Romanian chicks shag the British blokes that no British chick would touch with the wrong end of a sh!tty stick, and send home of the 'decent bread' they derive as a result.

You're not actually complaining about that, are you?

[Northern Munkee]

And of course it's money lost to this economy that would've been recycled around the British economy, into local shops, businesses, who buy stuff to sell and pay people's wages, who in turn would pay taxes, and buy stuff and pay taxes, that tax would pay for services, etc, etc. Meanwhile housing costs go up due higher demand and poor supply aand wages are being driven down or held low due to over supply

Just putting the other side of argument for balance.

Edited by Northern Munkee on Friday 26th February 00:57

[Digga]

TBF, on the point of remittance economies like Romania, this is absolutely nothing new, certainly not for the UK which has been home to immigrant workers, sending varying degrees of their income back to their families in their native lands, for well over a hundred years.

In itself, it is not a problem, yes the immigrants are sending money overseas, but it is probably - to the UK economy - not necessarily worse than any of us spunking a significant chunk our income on a foreign car. It is also a huge source of direct aid and development, away from the grubby mitts of corrupt 'charities' and government officials within the developing remittance nation.

My sole concern with EU and, most importantly UK immigration is that we adequately control it; we allow those workers in whose skills are required.

[danllama]

eharding said:

Think of it a providing a social service.

These Romanian chicks shag the British blokes that no British chick would touch with the wrong end of a sh!tty stick, and send home of the 'decent bread' they derive as a result.

You're not actually complaining about that, are you?

No need for that is there tosser? Sorry to tell you i'm quite a handsome young chap and have no trouble pulling females of any nationality including our own

She is certainly not here to provide a service to any dim, ugly british blokes. And you can go fk yourself for implying as such.