How many Romanian/Bulgarian migrants are you predicting?

[MX7]

ralphrj said:

MX7 said:

"applying transitional controls as a matter of course in the future for all new EU Member States."

Tories on immigration in 2010.

What part of that do you think they have broken?

Romania and Bulgaria joined in 2007, and will only get full rights as of 2014. They are new members, which is why we are still able to impose restrictions on them. If he wasn't talking about those two, who was he talking about? The Turks who might have to wait another decade or two?

[ImpossiblyDaft]

mph1977 said:

how many of these 'unemployed' or economically inactive individuals are the spouse of a wage earner bringing up children ...

This has been brought up before; most of it is that, if they've got teenage kids staying in school, students (just under 140,000), pensioners, etc. Not to mention that as a percentage of the total number of EU migrants, its actually one of the lowest figures in the EU. The EU average is 39%, the UK stats are 30%. The UK also has one of the lowest levels of people from other EU countries claiming unemployment benefit, it's something like 1% of the total spend on unemployment.

MX7 said:

Romania and Bulgaria joined in 2007, and will only get full rights as of 2014. They are new members, which is why we are still able to impose restrictions on them. If he wasn't talking about those two, who was he talking about? The Turks who might have to wait another decade or two?

Croatia?

[ralphrj]

MX7 said:

Romania and Bulgaria joined in 2007, and will only get full rights as of 2014. They are new members, which is why we are still able to impose restrictions on them. If he wasn't talking about those two, who was he talking about? The Turks who might have to wait another decade or two?

I suspect that it was in reference to to the 2004 enlargement of the EU when labour movement restrictions were not imposed and the 2007 enlargement where restrictions were imposed for a short period (Labour were booted out before they expired so they have been extended to the maximum 7 years).

Since 2010 only 1 country has joined the EU (Croatia) and they have been subject to transitional controls.

[69 coupe]

dandarez said:

At the Wembley England v Poland footy game over 20,000 Polish fans didn't need to travel to get here, hence why they chanted with some authority:
'We're Poland. We're playing at home!'

Will a pattern emerge?

'We're Romania. We're playing at home as well!'

'We're Bulgaria. We're playing at home too!'

It's a great feeling to be patriotic.

England are playing away at Wembley...

[Mermaid]

69 coupe said:

England are playing away at Wembley...

& at Old Trafford

[dudleybloke]

them romanians are a right bunch of headbangers.

[porridge]

GG89 said:

Bring it on. The sooner Britain crashes with devastating consequences the sooner change will come.

No turning back now just got to ride the st storm that is coming our way unfortunately.

What would make it crash.

If you travel around London now, the nice bits are kept nice by way of strict planning laws and high cost of living- the rich don't see any immigration and experience little negative impact, the normal to crap bits though have permissions granted for tiny flats, houses split into bedsits and ten to a 2 bed house.

If it is like under Labour- The rich will continue to have minimal negative impact by immigration and along with the middle class make a lot of money out of proving services, food and shelter to them, migrants will work for minimal and the lower working class will be paid off with benefits.

Add another dozen porta-cabins to the impacted schools and will be business as usual!

Edited by porridge on Monday 11th November 20:51

[MX7]

ralphrj said:

I suspect that it was in reference to to the 2004 enlargement of the EU when labour movement restrictions were not imposed and the 2007 enlargement where restrictions were imposed for a short period (Labour were booted out before they expired so they have been extended to the maximum 7 years).

BBC.

BBC said:

Bulgarians and Romanians will gain the unrestricted right to live and work in the UK from December 2013, Home Secretary Theresa May has confirmed.

Temporary curbs imposed in 2007 to protect the British labour market are set to expire on that date.

Are you sure they had to be extended? It sounds like 7 years was the original plan. I think we could have extended it further, but didn't.

I don't see any difference between what the Tories are doing, and what Labour did after their mistake with Poland. It feels like a very vapid manifesto promise.

[ralphrj]

MX7 said:

Are you sure they had to be extended? It sounds like 7 years was the original plan. I think we could have extended it further, but didn't.

I don't see any difference between what the Tories are doing, and what Labour did after their mistake with Poland. It feels like a very vapid manifesto promise.

7 years is the maximum period permitted under European law. For Romania and Bulgaria the restriction was due to expire at the end of 2011 (after only 5 years). It was extended to the maximum period in November 2010.

The BBC article above is a worded in a way to imply that the government has decided to lift the restrictions but in reality there are no possible grounds to keep them in place. The claim by Yvette Cooper that Labour would support moves to extend the ban is just a classic example of "weasel words" - there is no possibility whatsoever of that happening as a direct result of the actions of her own party.

Edited by ralphrj on Monday 11th November 21:05

[Art0ir]

allnighter said:

"From: Ionut-Andrei Olescu

Hy I have 26 year's a drive verry good and I'm verry interested about your job pizza delivery I'm new in town please give me a call or email if you think I'm the god gay for this job!
Have a good day"

One of many emails I had recently from Romanians(in the car wash industry) and East Europeans with very poor English asking for jobs. Any Locals applying? Nope! Zilch, Nada.

O/T but that 6er is an absolute beaut.

[Richyboy]

UKIP will get more votes but that will be offset by the people coming in voting labour.

We will have a roma gypsy problem, a scary thought surely.

[aizvara]

Richyboy said:

UKIP will get more votes but that will be offset by the people coming in voting labour.

I don't see this as particularly likely - my feeling (which may be wrong) is that not many EU immigrants bother becoming British citizens.

[Tony427]

At the end of September the Mrs and myself were returning to Dover from france on a night/ early morning boat. It was suprisingly full.

Unfortunately it was full of Romanians. Large families with three or four young kids, blokes sitting seperately from their womenfolk and grannies in shawls and large hooped earings flitting from group to group. Some stereotypes are true.

There were two middle aged, non eastern european, couples on board the boat and we were one of them. Whilst waiting at the top of the stairs surrounded by the latest Romanian influx the two couples caught each others eye as we held on tightly to our bags and wallets.

The look was one of despair........

Cheers,

Tony

[FarleyRusk]

Guybrush said:

Bliar and Labour generally have to take a large slice of the blame for their open door immigration policy, lying to us and painting anyone who objected as racist. UKIP seem to be the only ones with the balls to discuss the matter; it's strange that the the media won't give them any airtime to discuss the matter (and our EU membership) in open forum with red Ed and Cameron.

BBC Question Time last Thursday gave over the whole programme to Nigel Farage to share his views on immigration. He was spot on too!

[oyster]

Guybrush said:

Bliar and Labour generally have to take a large slice of the blame for their open door immigration policy, lying to us and painting anyone who objected as racist. UKIP seem to be the only ones with the balls to discuss the matter; it's strange that the the media won't give them any airtime to discuss the matter (and our EU membership) in open forum with red Ed and Cameron.

And yet the polls still don't show much support for UKIP.

[Mobile Chicane]

Difficult to say.

The clever ones have been here for a while: The Big Issue sellers... The 'cash in hand' cheap cleaners...

All are registering as self employed, which they are doing in order to access the UK's benefit system.

[tom2019]

The world is becoming one big mix of people from all over the place. Its happened in many other countries its going to happen in the UK.I think people who don't travel much have no idea. Places in the middle east like UAE and Qatar where the migrant workers outnumber the locals by some ratio. I suppose the difference there is that everyone is rich so they need some to do the crappy work.

These people will surely settle in Germany, France and Italy as they have the same policies as us on benefits to EU members.. yeah right its only the UK that plays by the book with that respect.

[greygoose]

aizvara said:

Richyboy said:

UKIP will get more votes but that will be offset by the people coming in voting labour.

I don't see this as particularly likely - my feeling (which may be wrong) is that not many EU immigrants bother becoming British citizens.

Large numbers do become British citizens, particularly from Eastern Europe as they do not need to obtain visas for travel to USA etc. even nationals of France and Germany become British, though I am not sure why.

[blindswelledrat]

FOr all those who assume migrants are here just to claim benefit, you might want to read this (or many other articles) to put your mind at rest

http://news.sky.com/story/1164087/immigrants-contr...

This doesn't even take into account the fact that without them 90% of our low paid jobs would not be staffed leading to an even bigger impact on our economy.

[spaximus]

blindswelledrat said:

FOr all those who assume migrants are here just to claim benefit, you might want to read this (or many other articles) to put your mind at rest

http://news.sky.com/story/1164087/immigrants-contr...

This doesn't even take into account the fact that without them 90% of our low paid jobs would not be staffed leading to an even bigger impact on our economy.

There is a case for immigration no doubt about it, however it is the uncontolled that matters. Also if we took action against those unprepared to work who are fit an able, but have made unemployment a career choice, then we would have low paid jobs filled by our own first then top up with the rest we need.

These people find jobs because we are too soft on our own.