How many Romanian/Bulgarian migrants are you predicting?

[powerstroke]

blindswelledrat said:

FOr all those who assume migrants are here just to claim benefit, you might want to read this (or many other articles) to put your mind at rest

http://news.sky.com/story/1164087/immigrants-contr...

This doesn't even take into account the fact that without them 90% of our low paid jobs would not be staffed leading to an even bigger impact on our economy.

Yes you wouden't be able to get your car washed for £2.50
and wages would rise ,school leavers might be considered for
a job and vast sums of money would stay in the country and the
Benifit bill would be reduced ...

[blindswelledrat]

spaximus said:

. Also if we took action against those unprepared to work who are fit an able, but have made unemployment a career choice, then we would have low paid jobs filled by our own first then top up with the rest we need.

These people find jobs because we are too soft on our own.

Could not agree more. It seems so blatantly obvious to any normal semi-intelligent person and yet it persists.

Edited by blindswelledrat on Tuesday 12th November 08:34

[blindswelledrat]

powerstroke said:

Yes you wouden't be able to get your car washed for £2.50
and wages would rise ,school leavers might be considered for
a job and vast sums of money would stay in the country and the
Benifit bill would be reduced ...

And we would no longer be competitive with the rest of the world, imports would flood in, inflation would go through the roof and our economy would nosedive leading to the loss of millions of jobs leaving us with more unemployed UK people than when you started your clever exercise and no economy in which to keep footing the bill.

[anonymous-user]

The Government aren't stupid and if the man on the street can see what's going to happen then so can they.

The real question is why would they seemingly allow the country to be dragged down in this manner. Why are our hands 'always tied' by EU policy or other outside agendas.

I'm tired of hearing in the news about all these things that are going to ruin the country 'but we aren't allowed to stop them'. Much like Crime/Benefit fraud/Religious extremism/Human rights of Murderers/Payoffs for Failure/etc etc the list is endless.

I'm sure it didn't seem so ridiculous 30 years ago..

[anonymous-user]

Isn't this good news? Aren't we going to get loads more thin, good looking eastern european girls coming here with their work ethic, working in hotels and restaurants and setting up ironing businesses.

I'm sure there won't be that many criminal gangs and Romany child selling travellers.

[blindswelledrat]

1974nc said:

The real question is why would they seemingly allow the country to be dragged down in this manner. Why are our hands 'always tied' by EU policy or other outside agendas.

I'm tired of hearing in the news about all these things that are going to ruin the country 'but we aren't allowed to stop them'. Much like Crime/Benefit fraud/Religious extremism/Human rights of Murderers/Payoffs for Failure/etc etc the list is endless.

I'm sure it didn't seem so ridiculous 30 years ago..

Is the country being dragged down in this manner?
Where are you reading this? Here? The tabloids?
Have a look at this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bri...

[z4chris99]

are Romanians allowed to work here already??

I was in a slightly dubious but popular entertainment establishment on shoreditch the other night and 99% of the workforce were from Romania.

if we could have more of their sort I would be happy to see another million come to the uk.

[Eric Mc]

greygoose said:

aizvara said:

Richyboy said:

UKIP will get more votes but that will be offset by the people coming in voting labour.

I don't see this as particularly likely - my feeling (which may be wrong) is that not many EU immigrants bother becoming British citizens.

Large numbers do become British citizens, particularly from Eastern Europe as they do not need to obtain visas for travel to USA etc. even nationals of France and Germany become British, though I am not sure why.

I don't think you have to be a UK Citizen to vote in UK elections. I was an Irish citizen living in the UK for over 20 years (1986 to 2008) and I voted in every election.

[Eric Mc]

z4chris99 said:

are Romanians allowed to work here already??

I was in a slightly dubious but popular entertainment establishment on shoreditch the other night and 99% of the workforce were from Romania.

if we could have more of their sort I would be happy to see another million come to the uk.

In a self employed capacity.

There is and never has been any restriction on any EU citizen setting up and running a business.

[superkartracer]

blindswelledrat said:

1974nc said:

The real question is why would they seemingly allow the country to be dragged down in this manner. Why are our hands 'always tied' by EU policy or other outside agendas.

I'm tired of hearing in the news about all these things that are going to ruin the country 'but we aren't allowed to stop them'. Much like Crime/Benefit fraud/Religious extremism/Human rights of Murderers/Payoffs for Failure/etc etc the list is endless.

I'm sure it didn't seem so ridiculous 30 years ago..

Is the country being dragged down in this manner?
Where are you reading this? Here? The tabloids?
Have a look at this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bri...

Take a walk around London/Brum and other large cities, at night.

[Guybrush]

FarleyRusk said:

Guybrush said:

Bliar and Labour generally have to take a large slice of the blame for their open door immigration policy, lying to us and painting anyone who objected as racist. UKIP seem to be the only ones with the balls to discuss the matter; it's strange that the the media won't give them any airtime to discuss the matter (and our EU membership) in open forum with red Ed and Cameron.

BBC Question Time last Thursday gave over the whole programme to Nigel Farage to share his views on immigration. He was spot on too!

Excellent. (Surprised.)

[aizvara]

Eric Mc said:

I don't think you have to be a UK Citizen to vote in UK elections. I was an Irish citizen living in the UK for over 20 years (1986 to 2008) and I voted in every election.

Irish and commonwealth citizens resident here can vote in general elections. EU citizens cannot until they become British citizens.

greygoose said:

Large numbers do become British citizens, particularly from Eastern Europe as they do not need to obtain visas for travel to USA etc. even nationals of France and Germany become British, though I am not sure why.

I'm surprised about that. None of the EU immigrants I know have bothered to become British citizens, and I know quite a few, (albeit only a couple of Eastern Europeans).

I suppose the next question is - if they vote do they necessarily vote Labour?

[Eric Mc]

I don't altogether disagree - but I was allowed and I did.

Becoming a UK citizen is not that easy and quite expensive these days.

By the way, UK citizens who are resident in the Irish Republic can vote in Irish elections - so the arrangement is reciprocal.

[blindswelledrat]

superkartracer said:

Take a walk around London/Brum and other large cities, at night.

You mean the sttier parts right?
As opposed to when exactly?

[Zod]

superkartracer said:

Take a walk around London/Brum and other large cities, at night.

I was walking around London last night and I was brutally murdered only three times.

People do talk a lot of crap.

[Victor McDade]

Eric Mc said:

I don't think you have to be a UK Citizen to vote in UK elections. I was an Irish citizen living in the UK for over 20 years (1986 to 2008) and I voted in every election.

EU citizens who reside here can vote in EU, council, mayoral, London assembly and if eligible Scottish or Welsh assembly elections but they cannot vote in general elections.

As you found out the Irish can vote in GEs too.

[superkartracer]

In a frank interview on BBC’s Newsnight last Monday Victor Ponta, the Romanian Prime Minister, acknowledged that he was: “very aware that Romanian citizens committed crime (in Britain)”.

“London is currently going through a Romanian crime epidemic … a fact that nobody dares to talk about, but it’s real.”

Indeed, it was revealed in February of this year that an incredible 27,725 Romanians, out of the 87,000 that have come to Britain in the past five years, have been arrested by the Metropolitan police in London (one in three). The staggering figure, gained through a freedom of information request, has raised fears over the criminal consequences of the unquantified influx of Romanians and Bulgarians, when full jobs and benefits access is granted to them in seven months.

[Mermaid]

superkartracer said:

In a frank interview on BBC’s Newsnight last Monday Victor Ponta, the Romanian Prime Minister, acknowledged that he was: “very aware that Romanian citizens committed crime (in Britain)”.

“London is currently going through a Romanian crime epidemic … a fact that nobody dares to talk about, but it’s real.”

Indeed, it was revealed in February of this year that an incredible 27,725 Romanians, out of the 87,000 that have come to Britain in the past five years, have been arrested by the Metropolitan police in London (one in three). The staggering figure, gained through a freedom of information request, has raised fears over the criminal consequences of the unquantified influx of Romanians and Bulgarians, when full jobs and benefits access is granted to them in seven months.

& so the rest got away

[superkartracer]

[MX7]

tom2019 said:

The world is becoming one big mix of people from all over the place. Its happened in many other countries its going to happen in the UK.I think people who don't travel much have no idea. Places in the middle east like UAE and Qatar where the migrant workers outnumber the locals by some ratio. I suppose the difference there is that everyone is rich so they need some to do the crappy work.

Immigration isn't the problem. It's the scale of it.

tom2019 said:

These people will surely settle in Germany, France and Italy as they have the same policies as us on benefits to EU members.. yeah right its only the UK that plays by the book with that respect.

They don't.