How many Romanian/Bulgarian migrants are you predicting?
Poll: How many Romanian/Bulgarian migrants are you predicting?
Total Members Polled: 517
Discussion
vonuber said:
So basically:
1) all romanians are criminals
2) you can spot them because they have earrings and wear shawls
Right.
1) Well, no. Figures suggest that 1 in 3 are. The figures are right above your post and were discussed at length here about six months ago. This is an important figure, because it relates specifically to Romanians in UK (more particularly, London). This is, of course, important because really, few of us care what they get up to in Romania. It impacts us much more keenly when that crime directly affects us, right here.1) all romanians are criminals
2) you can spot them because they have earrings and wear shawls
Right.
2) And in much the same way as you can tell that a group of women wearing burkas are likely to be Muslim, the earrings and shawls - of a certain type - allow a good guess that the wearers are Roma.
This just isn't as controversial as you want it to be, sadly. Still, don't let facts get in the way of taking offense!
Guam said:
It seems the Government is blind to how much goodwill it will lose - with its own people.
iphonedyou said:
1) Well, no. Figures suggest that 1 in 3 are. The figures are right above your post and were discussed at length here about six months ago. This is an important figure, because it relates specifically to Romanians in UK (more particularly, London). This is, of course, important because really, few of us care what they get up to in Romania. It impacts us much more keenly when that crime directly affects us, right here.
2) And in much the same way as you can tell that a group of women wearing burkas are likely to be Muslim, the earrings and shawls - of a certain type - allow a good guess that the wearers are Roma.
This just isn't as controversial as you want it to be, sadly. Still, don't let facts get in the way of taking offense!
1) 7,400 people were arrested for 24,000 crimes. So mostly repeat offenders. 2) And in much the same way as you can tell that a group of women wearing burkas are likely to be Muslim, the earrings and shawls - of a certain type - allow a good guess that the wearers are Roma.
This just isn't as controversial as you want it to be, sadly. Still, don't let facts get in the way of taking offense!
2) Roma does not mean Romanians.
This thread is a daily mail w
kfest and I'm out. blindswelledrat said:
spaximus said:
. Also if we took action against those unprepared to work who are fit an able, but have made unemployment a career choice, then we would have low paid jobs filled by our own first then top up with the rest we need.
These people find jobs because we are too soft on our own.
Could not agree more. It seems so blatantly obvious to any normal semi-intelligent person and yet it persists.These people find jobs because we are too soft on our own.
Edited by blindswelledrat on Tuesday 12th November 08:34
Career benefits claimants who are forced to work? Or an eager immigrant from east Europe?
vonuber said:
1) 7,400 people were arrested for 24,000 crimes. So mostly repeat offenders.
2) Roma does not mean Romanians.
This thread is a daily mail wkfest and I'm out.
Agree2) Roma does not mean Romanians.
This thread is a daily mail w
kfest and I'm out. I can't comprehend the mindset in threads like this.
Why would you want to ignore facts and actually feel this angry about something that is inevitable?
When I see a Daily Mail article that sounds extraordinary I know without exception that it is either untrue or twisted facts, so logically I sit on google and find out the truth to stop me being so annoyed. Why would you choose to accept DM articles at face value and hate the world?
oyster said:
If you were a small business owner who would you rather have working for you?
Career benefits claimants who are forced to work? Or an eager immigrant from east Europe?
THeres no black and white answer to that, but if benefits were not available then we are just talking about normal people who speak fluent English hence the majority of employers would try them.Career benefits claimants who are forced to work? Or an eager immigrant from east Europe?
As it stands these people have a choice: Work 40 hours a week for minimum wage or earn the same, often more, by staying at home.
Unfortunately a lot of people choose the latter and it's difficult to blame them. Doesn't necessarily mean that they are absolute s
tters, it just means that they've been brought up in this mental system which gives them that option.vonuber said:
So basically:
1) all romanians are criminals
2) you can spot them because they have earrings and wear shawls
Right.
Why don't you comment on the proven arrest figures being at least 10 times higher than other EU countries, rather than belittle it by saying all Romanians are criminals in a summing up. 1) all romanians are criminals
2) you can spot them because they have earrings and wear shawls
Right.
I find it odd you invent a claim no one made ( all are criminals ) only to feel the need to shoot it down and mock people exaggerating, when it's only you that has done it.
I personally can do without ever more migrants and especially those who have a catastrophic arrest rate like Romanians have. You might also want to address how you get two million unemployed back to work and start forcing them to take minimum wage pizza delivery jobs, all the while you are willing to open the doors to people who come from a country where you can be paid £1 hour.
I find many of those who rush to defend migrants in debates like this, are also the first to pop up in debates on cutting welfare, usually with the cry about how unfair it is when there are no jobs available.
Mr_B said:
Why don't you comment on the proven arrest figures being at least 10 times higher than other EU countries, rather than belittle it by saying all Romanians are criminals in a summing up.
I find it odd you invent a claim no one made ( all are criminals ) only to feel the need to shoot it down and mock people exaggerating, when it's only you that has done it.
I personally can do without ever more migrants and especially those who have a catastrophic arrest rate like Romanians have. You might also want to address how you get two million unemployed back to work and start forcing them to take minimum wage pizza delivery jobs, all the while you are willing to open the doors to people who come from a country where you can be paid £1 hour.
I find many of those who rush to defend migrants in debates like this, are also the first to pop up in debates on cutting welfare, usually with the cry about how unfair it is when there are no jobs available.
Out of curiosity, how would you feel if Boris Johnson announced that London is being bought down by the absurd number of northerners/Cornish/welsh/scots that are migrating unchecked to the capital and he would like to limit the number of outsiders allowed?I find it odd you invent a claim no one made ( all are criminals ) only to feel the need to shoot it down and mock people exaggerating, when it's only you that has done it.
I personally can do without ever more migrants and especially those who have a catastrophic arrest rate like Romanians have. You might also want to address how you get two million unemployed back to work and start forcing them to take minimum wage pizza delivery jobs, all the while you are willing to open the doors to people who come from a country where you can be paid £1 hour.
I find many of those who rush to defend migrants in debates like this, are also the first to pop up in debates on cutting welfare, usually with the cry about how unfair it is when there are no jobs available.
Does that idea seem ridiculous to you?
My assumption is that you feel that is completely different because you hold the UK boundary as sacred and the European one as irrelevant.
blindswelledrat said:
Mr_B said:
Why don't you comment on the proven arrest figures being at least 10 times higher than other EU countries, rather than belittle it by saying all Romanians are criminals in a summing up.
I find it odd you invent a claim no one made ( all are criminals ) only to feel the need to shoot it down and mock people exaggerating, when it's only you that has done it.
I personally can do without ever more migrants and especially those who have a catastrophic arrest rate like Romanians have. You might also want to address how you get two million unemployed back to work and start forcing them to take minimum wage pizza delivery jobs, all the while you are willing to open the doors to people who come from a country where you can be paid £1 hour.
I find many of those who rush to defend migrants in debates like this, are also the first to pop up in debates on cutting welfare, usually with the cry about how unfair it is when there are no jobs available.
Out of curiosity, how would you feel if Boris Johnson announced that London is being bought down by the absurd number of northerners/Cornish/welsh/scots that are migrating unchecked to the capital and he would like to limit the number of outsiders allowed?I find it odd you invent a claim no one made ( all are criminals ) only to feel the need to shoot it down and mock people exaggerating, when it's only you that has done it.
I personally can do without ever more migrants and especially those who have a catastrophic arrest rate like Romanians have. You might also want to address how you get two million unemployed back to work and start forcing them to take minimum wage pizza delivery jobs, all the while you are willing to open the doors to people who come from a country where you can be paid £1 hour.
I find many of those who rush to defend migrants in debates like this, are also the first to pop up in debates on cutting welfare, usually with the cry about how unfair it is when there are no jobs available.
Does that idea seem ridiculous to you?
My assumption is that you feel that is completely different because you hold the UK boundary as sacred and the European one as irrelevant.
Yes, you seem ridiculous to me.
We allow* a mass influx of poor economic migrants, depressing wages for unskilled and semi-skilled labour. We provide a better life on benefits than can be earned on those low wages. We end up in a situation where we can't afford the benefits bill and start to tighten the screws.
Essentially, the people who have been screwed over by this are our own unskilled and semi-skilled labour, and it has only been the generosity of our benefits system which has deferred their realisation of this.
Essentially, the people who have been screwed over by this are our own unskilled and semi-skilled labour, and it has only been the generosity of our benefits system which has deferred their realisation of this.
- in the sense that we choose to be in the EU
Mermaid said:
That's not a bad thing, is it?
Exactly, it's not. It's just something that some people like to be offended about when it's pointed out, apparently.I can't imagine a weaker argument than vonuber's suggestion that it's essentially OK, because most of the crimes are committed by recidivist criminals. Actually, I can; his reversion to a straw man at the first opportunity, with his 'all Romanians are criminals' statement.
Probably as well he's flounced off the thread.
Edited by iphonedyou on Tuesday 12th November 11:23
Mr_B said:
Only you could quote me while ignoring everything within that quote.
Yes, you seem ridiculous to me.
I just asked you a question. I wasn't attempting to counter your post.Yes, you seem ridiculous to me.
Get off your angry horse and answer it or don't.
Going on the offensive over a simple question just makes you look like an knuckle dragger.
otolith said:
We allow* a mass influx of poor economic migrants, depressing wages for unskilled and semi-skilled labour. We provide a better life on benefits than can be earned on those low wages. We end up in a situation where we can't afford the benefits bill and start to tighten the screws.
Essentially, the people who have been screwed over by this are our own unskilled and semi-skilled labour, and it has only been the generosity of our benefits system which has deferred their realisation of this.
Firstly we have the minimum wage to prevent the migrants depressing wages.Essentially, the people who have been screwed over by this are our own unskilled and semi-skilled labour, and it has only been the generosity of our benefits system which has deferred their realisation of this.
- in the sense that we choose to be in the EU
But disregarding that- think back to the days where there were no easy benefits except for genuine hardship. There was equally minimal migration. Were unskilled jobs paid substantially higher relatively than now?
The answer is no, of course.
blindswelledrat said:
superkartracer said:
Take a walk around London/Brum and other large cities, at night.
You mean the sttier parts right?As opposed to when exactly?
So no, not the s
ttier parts...
blindswelledrat said:
Out of curiosity, how would you feel if Boris Johnson announced that London is being bought down by the absurd number of northerners/Cornish/welsh/scots that are migrating unchecked to the capital and he would like to limit the number of outsiders allowed?
Does that idea seem ridiculous to you?
Yes, but it's not a valid comparison. Does that idea seem ridiculous to you?
The amount of job opportunities in any country is finite. A government has a duty to cater for it's citizens, and if the government permits mass immigration, while our economy and social services struggle, then it's failing it's citizens.
superkartracer said:
Well for a start here - the large store was family owned back in the 70's and this part of Brum ( Stratford Road ) was perfectly safe at night ( and indeed the day ). The crime current rate here is shocking and last time the good wife drove though here she was spat at ( driving a police car i might add ).
So no, not the sttier parts...
SKR in some areas improve and some don't shocker.So no, not the s
ttier parts...Read that article I posted on the previous page entitled "British Public wrong about nearly everything"
Crime has reduced massively over the past 20 years and yet everyone assumes otherwise because of nostalgic memories of somewhere they knew.
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