Reverend Paul Flowers - Ex Co-Op Bank boss busted.

[Digga]

Thorodin said:

The fact is he was using a company status computer, at work, and in direct contravention of his employment conditions (by the public incidentally). The content was reported as gay porn. What other reasons must be given for his dismissal?

AFAIK, and according to people who have witnessed employees finding themselves on the wrong side of this, in most organisations, porn (gay or otherwise) on a work computer or laptop is grounds for instant ejection from the premises and dismissal under misconduct terms. Whether, in Flowers case he/they went down that route or opted for another exit settlement is unclear, but he'd have no choice in leaving and they'd have no choice but to get rid.

[Thorodin]

Digga said:

FAIK, and according to people who have witnessed employees finding themselves on the wrong side of this, in most organisations, porn (gay or otherwise) on a work computer or laptop is grounds for instant ejection from the premises and dismissal under misconduct terms. Whether, in Flowers case he/they went down that route or opted for another exit settlement is unclear, but he'd have no choice in leaving and they'd have no choice but to get rid.

That's right. My concern is that the people who should have fired him with ignominy didn't. They back-tracked and enabled him to resign, thereby avoiding a scandal, and ensuring a cover-up because of his minor celebrity. Does that remind anyone of anything?
If those people had done the right thing at the time (2011) he would have been, presumably although one never knows, ineligible for the Coop job.

Edited by Thorodin on Friday 22 November 16:27

[Pesty]

RSoovy4 said:

He'll give you some crack for a piece of that.

Spell check honest

[Mark Benson]

Ozzie Osmond said:

RSoovy4 said:

But not a banker.

It's always entertaining to hear bankers, their friends and relations deny all involvement in the many, many financial scandals which keep unfolding every month of every year.

And just as entertaining to hear the left completely ignore the wrong-doings of their own when there's a cheap shot at some establishment or other to be had.

You're as tedious as you are predictable Ozzie.

[DonkeyApple]

Mark Benson said:

And just as entertaining to hear the left completely ignore the wrong-doings of their own when there's a cheap shot at some establishment or other to be had.

You're as tedious as you are predictable Ozzie.

Seeing as all the failed institutions are from either Scotland or Yorkshire/Lancashire and all the criminals are either from the same or Europe then I think it's pretty clear that banking should be left to people who know what money actually is.

But, joking aside, plot the failed institutions into a political map and the correlation is near perfect.

[RYH64E]

So he's tried banking, politics and religion, what next? Journalism maybe? That's some CV.

[jogon]

RYH64E said:

So he's tried banking, politics and religion, what next? Journalism maybe? That's some CV.

He will become a consultant like all the others who have failed miserably in their chosen industry.

[Ozzie Osmond]

Mark Benson said:

And just as entertaining to hear the left completely ignore the wrong-doings of their own when there's a cheap shot at some establishment or other to be had.

You're as tedious as you are predictable Ozzie.

Stand back and look at the track record of the financial services sector over the past decade. It's an absolute disgrace. Everyone can recognise this except a few dullards with their heads stuck firmly in the sand. It has nothing to do with left, right or anything else. No other sector can even get into the same ballpark of widespread wrongdoing and neglect.

[London424]

Ozzie Osmond said:

Mark Benson said:

And just as entertaining to hear the left completely ignore the wrong-doings of their own when there's a cheap shot at some establishment or other to be had.

You're as tedious as you are predictable Ozzie.

Stand back and look at the track record of the financial services sector over the past decade. It's an absolute disgrace. Everyone can recognise this except a few dullards with their heads stuck firmly in the sand. It has nothing to do with left, right or anything else. No other sector can even get into the same ballpark of widespread wrongdoing and neglect.

I'm sure there are plenty of sectors that are equally as involved in epic wrong doing and neglect. They just don't seem to get the kicking in the press that bankers do.

Food industry - Horse meat
Pharmaceutical - bribery, price fixing
Oil & Gas - BP in the gulf
NHS - too many too even start on

I could go on but hopefully you get my point.

[Ozzie Osmond]

Compare and contrast the financial services sector,

Bear Stearns
Northern Rock
Lehman Bros
Royal Bank of Scotland
Lloyds TSB
HBOS
Barclays LIBOR manipulation
Foreign exchange manipulation
PPI insurance sales
UBS unauthorised trading
CPP card protection sales
Co-op bank
etc

[Thorodin]

Apparently the FCA is to start an investigation into Flowers’ application for the Coop top job.
It seems you can complete your own application and any self-disclosed convictions or investigations into your past conduct would then be followed up by enquiries made to the relevant sources. Oh, and he once said, while a Rev, that he did not believe in God.

There seems to be some doubt as to whether he owned up to his arrest and conviction for engaging in sex in a public toilet with another man. Oh, and an investigation into charitable expenses fraud – to put it mildly. Oh, and being convicted of DUI and losing his licence. Although a spokesman reported that these offences would not necessarily debar you from getting the job. I wonder what the hell would then? What on earth have we come to when virtually any kind of behaviour is deemed perfectly acceptable?

[London424]

Ozzie Osmond said:

Compare and contrast the financial services sector,

Bear Stearns
Northern Rock
Lehman Bros
Royal Bank of Scotland
Lloyds TSB
HBOS
Barclays LIBOR manipulation
Foreign exchange manipulation
PPI insurance sales
UBS unauthorised trading
CPP card protection sales
Co-op bank
etc

Every industry will have "stuff" going on. The thing I was highlighting was they barely get the comment that FS does. Take Pharmaceuticals and list off the big name companies and see all the dodgy stuff they've been involved in.

[RSoovy4]

Ozzie Osmond said:

Mark Benson said:

And just as entertaining to hear the left completely ignore the wrong-doings of their own when there's a cheap shot at some establishment or other to be had.

You're as tedious as you are predictable Ozzie.

Stand back and look at the track record of the financial services sector over the past decade. It's an absolute disgrace. Everyone can recognise this except a few dullards with their heads stuck firmly in the sand. It has nothing to do with left, right or anything else. No other sector can even get into the same ballpark of widespread wrongdoing and neglect.

Except social workers who ignore kids being tortured, the priesthood who can't keep their fingers out of choirboys,, politicians fiddling their expenses...... and on and on and on......

[DonkeyApple]

RSoovy4 said:

Except social workers who ignore kids being tortured, the priesthood who can't keep their fingers out of choirboys,, politicians fiddling their expenses...... and on and on and on......

Chuck in the NHS and teachers and it's clear the real problem lies with low paid people. Let's burn them.

[RSoovy4]

DonkeyApple said:

RSoovy4 said:

Except social workers who ignore kids being tortured, the priesthood who can't keep their fingers out of choirboys,, politicians fiddling their expenses...... and on and on and on......

Chuck in the NHS and teachers and it's clear the real problem lies with low paid people. Let's burn them.

Well quite, all those feckless teachers seducing their pupils, and nurses killing their patients.....

It's rotten to the core. All of it.

[crankedup]

London424 said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

Compare and contrast the financial services sector,

Bear Stearns
Northern Rock
Lehman Bros
Royal Bank of Scotland
Lloyds TSB
HBOS
Barclays LIBOR manipulation
Foreign exchange manipulation
PPI insurance sales
UBS unauthorised trading
CPP card protection sales
Co-op bank
etc

Every industry will have "stuff" going on. The thing I was highlighting was they barely get the comment that FS does. Take Pharmaceuticals and list off the big name companies and see all the dodgy stuff they've been involved in.

The problem we have with the banking industry misbehaviour is the financial and trading impacts it has on individuals and business. Look at the Co-op bank, of which I WAS an enthusiastic supporter, those holding bonds with the bank have just seen around half of their investment go down the drain! Its not the bank of course but the puppet masters in almost every case.
Other businesses which impact upon most of our lives have only marginal negatives on individuals and businesses that trade with these Companies (broad brush comment perhaps)

[London424]

crankedup said:

London424 said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

Compare and contrast the financial services sector,

Bear Stearns
Northern Rock
Lehman Bros
Royal Bank of Scotland
Lloyds TSB
HBOS
Barclays LIBOR manipulation
Foreign exchange manipulation
PPI insurance sales
UBS unauthorised trading
CPP card protection sales
Co-op bank
etc

Every industry will have "stuff" going on. The thing I was highlighting was they barely get the comment that FS does. Take Pharmaceuticals and list off the big name companies and see all the dodgy stuff they've been involved in.

The problem we have with the banking industry misbehaviour is the financial and trading impacts it has on individuals and business. Look at the Co-op bank, of which I WAS an enthusiastic supporter, those holding bonds with the bank have just seen around half of their investment go down the drain! Its not the bank of course but the puppet masters in almost every case.
Other businesses which impact upon most of our lives have only marginal negatives on individuals and businesses that trade with these Companies (broad brush comment perhaps)

Your description above isn't limited to the FS sector though.

Just as an example go and look at the BP share price after the Deepwater Horizon spill. It went from over 600p to mid 300's. This happens all the time in all industries.

[crankedup]

London424 said:

crankedup said:

London424 said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

Compare and contrast the financial services sector,

Bear Stearns
Northern Rock
Lehman Bros
Royal Bank of Scotland
Lloyds TSB
HBOS
Barclays LIBOR manipulation
Foreign exchange manipulation
PPI insurance sales
UBS unauthorised trading
CPP card protection sales
Co-op bank
etc

Every industry will have "stuff" going on. The thing I was highlighting was they barely get the comment that FS does. Take Pharmaceuticals and list off the big name companies and see all the dodgy stuff they've been involved in.

The problem we have with the banking industry misbehaviour is the financial and trading impacts it has on individuals and business. Look at the Co-op bank, of which I WAS an enthusiastic supporter, those holding bonds with the bank have just seen around half of their investment go down the drain! Its not the bank of course but the puppet masters in almost every case.
Other businesses which impact upon most of our lives have only marginal negatives on individuals and businesses that trade with these Companies (broad brush comment perhaps)

Your description above isn't limited to the FS sector though.

Just as an example go and look at the BP share price after the Deepwater Horizon spill. It went from over 600p to mid 300's. This happens all the time in all industries.

Absolutely, and I expect that I am not alone in being 'caught out' occasionally. Its all part of the risk of investing in stocks/shares I suppose. But I am particularly offended by the Co-op banks lack of ethical and professionalism being as the long standing boast regards ethical banking has been hollowed out.

[London424]

crankedup said:

London424 said:

crankedup said:

London424 said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

Compare and contrast the financial services sector,

Bear Stearns
Northern Rock
Lehman Bros
Royal Bank of Scotland
Lloyds TSB
HBOS
Barclays LIBOR manipulation
Foreign exchange manipulation
PPI insurance sales
UBS unauthorised trading
CPP card protection sales
Co-op bank
etc

Every industry will have "stuff" going on. The thing I was highlighting was they barely get the comment that FS does. Take Pharmaceuticals and list off the big name companies and see all the dodgy stuff they've been involved in.

The problem we have with the banking industry misbehaviour is the financial and trading impacts it has on individuals and business. Look at the Co-op bank, of which I WAS an enthusiastic supporter, those holding bonds with the bank have just seen around half of their investment go down the drain! Its not the bank of course but the puppet masters in almost every case.
Other businesses which impact upon most of our lives have only marginal negatives on individuals and businesses that trade with these Companies (broad brush comment perhaps)

Your description above isn't limited to the FS sector though.

Just as an example go and look at the BP share price after the Deepwater Horizon spill. It went from over 600p to mid 300's. This happens all the time in all industries.

Absolutely, and I expect that I am not alone in being 'caught out' occasionally. Its all part of the risk of investing in stocks/shares I suppose. But I am particularly offended by the Co-op banks lack of ethical and professionalism being as the long standing boast regards ethical banking has been hollowed out.

Unfortunately I think that when money and human nature are involved ethics often fall by the wayside.

[NailedOn]

I closed my Co-op account today. Must have had it for 15 years.
No way I want to:
Be a laughing stock by having a Co-op bank card
Associate myself with Rev deFlowers
Subsidise Ed Balls

Barclays for me. At least I know what I'm getting - unadulterated capitalism.