Attend Islam class or be branded racist
Discussion
EVERY child should learn about as many of the major religions as it is reasonably possible to.
Then, when they are of age, they can chose if they want to follow one of the 1001 "one true religions" or just accept that it is highly likely there isn't a God, but that if there is the general rule of thumb is that we should all be most excellent to each other.
Then, when they are of age, they can chose if they want to follow one of the 1001 "one true religions" or just accept that it is highly likely there isn't a God, but that if there is the general rule of thumb is that we should all be most excellent to each other.
SR7492 said:
Maybe I'm missing something, but, the letter states:
'The workshop is at Staffordshire University and will give your child the opportunity to explore other religions.'
Doesn't mention a specific religion?
Everyone jumping on the band wagon again?
"Explore Islam" I think the letter said??'The workshop is at Staffordshire University and will give your child the opportunity to explore other religions.'
Doesn't mention a specific religion?
Everyone jumping on the band wagon again?
Puggit said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
Why has Islam been picked out? It's not referenced in her letter - indeed her letter simply refers to "different cultures" and "cultural artifacts". Typical DM trying to stir up a bit of racial tension?
If I had kids I wouldn't be against them attending such a thing, but the implied threat of not going would force my hand to act against the Head's wishes.
The DM then has a picture of a text message stating it's an 'Islam workshop'If I had kids I wouldn't be against them attending such a thing, but the implied threat of not going would force my hand to act against the Head's wishes.
Mr_B said:
Time for a new school head I think. Her audacity in having no problem on playing the race card is a reflection on much of today. If you tried that blackmail in any other area, you'd be leaving yourself wide open to a legal case.
Never thought of that. I guess it is tantamount to blackmail, especially in the way she worded the original letter.So nothing different to what happened 20 years ago (i.e a school trip) but British society has become so f
ked up that everything about it becomes a complex fk up from the way it is organsied to the way it is reported.
Ironically, Islam being given the bad rep when it appears it has nothing to do with any particular Muslim.
I suppose we need to consider why they have needed to word the letter that way - is it because parents stop their children going on school trips? Soudns unreasonable if you ask me - as long as your children are not being forced to change religion I don;t see the problem - surely the point is that you learn about different religions/cultures.
ked up that everything about it becomes a complex fk up from the way it is organsied to the way it is reported.Ironically, Islam being given the bad rep when it appears it has nothing to do with any particular Muslim.
I suppose we need to consider why they have needed to word the letter that way - is it because parents stop their children going on school trips? Soudns unreasonable if you ask me - as long as your children are not being forced to change religion I don;t see the problem - surely the point is that you learn about different religions/cultures.
Rude-boy said:
EVERY child should learn about as many of the major religions as it is reasonably possible to.
Then, when they are of age, they can chose if they want to follow one of the 1001 "one true religions" or just accept that it is highly likely there isn't a God, but that if there is the general rule of thumb is that we should all be most excellent to each other.
This^^Then, when they are of age, they can chose if they want to follow one of the 1001 "one true religions" or just accept that it is highly likely there isn't a God, but that if there is the general rule of thumb is that we should all be most excellent to each other.
I don't think a school trip to a Mosque is as big a deal as is making out to be. The school saying that kids that don't attend will have a mark against them is off though.
We visited a Mosque when I was about 14 for RE. TBH, learning a little bit about all different religions reduces all of them to the made up baloney they are. When you start learning that different people believe all sorts of things you know that they can't all be right and they end up being filed in the same category as people who believe the world is flat.
Or we could just bar any religious bullsh*t being promoted in schools and stop trying to fill kids heads with sky pixie nonsense.
The use of threats to try and co-erce the parents by attacking the children because mom and dad dont want ideological boogeyman stories taught as fact is pretty despicable and akin to indoctrination techniques practiced by uncle adolf and co and cant be tolerated.
Its telling that the words "cultural education" immediately conjure up the religion of peace and tolerance rather than Inuit culture or say Australian Aboriginal culture, or arent they as important?
In my ever so humble opinion islam is getting far too much promotion and needs a whole lot less.
If they want to teach culture in schools, try English culture, learn about yourself before you learn about others.
The use of threats to try and co-erce the parents by attacking the children because mom and dad dont want ideological boogeyman stories taught as fact is pretty despicable and akin to indoctrination techniques practiced by uncle adolf and co and cant be tolerated.
Its telling that the words "cultural education" immediately conjure up the religion of peace and tolerance rather than Inuit culture or say Australian Aboriginal culture, or arent they as important?
In my ever so humble opinion islam is getting far too much promotion and needs a whole lot less.
If they want to teach culture in schools, try English culture, learn about yourself before you learn about others.
Rude-boy said:
EVERY child should learn about as many of the major religions as it is reasonably possible to.
Then, when they are of age, they can chose if they want to follow one of the 1001 "one true religions" or just accept that it is highly likely there isn't a God, but that if there is the general rule of thumb is that we should all be most excellent to each other.
This makes perfect sense show kids all the one true religion stuff then leave them to realise that all the religions can't be right so what makes the one their parents brought them into right?Then, when they are of age, they can chose if they want to follow one of the 1001 "one true religions" or just accept that it is highly likely there isn't a God, but that if there is the general rule of thumb is that we should all be most excellent to each other.
4v6 said:
Or we could just bar any religious bullsh*t being promoted in schools and stop trying to fill kids heads with sky pixie nonsense.
The use of threats to try and co-erce the parents by attacking the children because mom and dad dont want ideological boogeyman stories taught as fact is pretty despicable and akin to indoctrination techniques practiced by uncle adolf and co and cant be tolerated.
Its telling that the words "cultural education" immediately conjure up the religion of peace and tolerance rather than Inuit culture or say Australian Aboriginal culture, or arent they as important?
In my ever so humble opinion islam is getting far too much promotion and needs a whole lot less.
If they want to teach culture in schools, try English culture, learn about yourself before you learn about others.
its called education not promotionThe use of threats to try and co-erce the parents by attacking the children because mom and dad dont want ideological boogeyman stories taught as fact is pretty despicable and akin to indoctrination techniques practiced by uncle adolf and co and cant be tolerated.
Its telling that the words "cultural education" immediately conjure up the religion of peace and tolerance rather than Inuit culture or say Australian Aboriginal culture, or arent they as important?
In my ever so humble opinion islam is getting far too much promotion and needs a whole lot less.
If they want to teach culture in schools, try English culture, learn about yourself before you learn about others.
according to the report the school has a duty to teach about other religions/cultures - it is not clear if this particular trip was about islam - but so what if it was - given that its such a favourite talking point isn't it more relevant?
Mojooo said:
4v6 said:
Or we could just bar any religious bullsh*t being promoted in schools and stop trying to fill kids heads with sky pixie nonsense.
The use of threats to try and co-erce the parents by attacking the children because mom and dad dont want ideological boogeyman stories taught as fact is pretty despicable and akin to indoctrination techniques practiced by uncle adolf and co and cant be tolerated.
Its telling that the words "cultural education" immediately conjure up the religion of peace and tolerance rather than Inuit culture or say Australian Aboriginal culture, or arent they as important?
In my ever so humble opinion islam is getting far too much promotion and needs a whole lot less.
If they want to teach culture in schools, try English culture, learn about yourself before you learn about others.
its called education not promotionThe use of threats to try and co-erce the parents by attacking the children because mom and dad dont want ideological boogeyman stories taught as fact is pretty despicable and akin to indoctrination techniques practiced by uncle adolf and co and cant be tolerated.
Its telling that the words "cultural education" immediately conjure up the religion of peace and tolerance rather than Inuit culture or say Australian Aboriginal culture, or arent they as important?
In my ever so humble opinion islam is getting far too much promotion and needs a whole lot less.
If they want to teach culture in schools, try English culture, learn about yourself before you learn about others.
according to the report the school has a duty to teach about other religions/cultures - it is not clear if this particular trip was about islam - but so what if it was - given that its such a favourite talking point isn't it more relevant?
chris watton said:
For me (at least), this wasn't/isn't really the problem. The problem I have is the way the original letter was worded - Attend or be branded racist on your child's permanent record. This is what I think is beyond the pale.
I agree - hence my first post about changes in societythis just wouldnt have happened 20 years ago because parents would have accepted it
now you have parents arguing the toss over everything - hence the school needs to go on the aggresive.
if the govt want to step in and say parents an have the choice - that is fine - butu ntil then the school presumably has a duty to try and get as many kids on a trip as possible.
Mojooo said:
its called education not promotion
according to the report the school has a duty to teach about other religions/cultures - it is not clear if this particular trip was about islam - but so what if it was - given that its such a favourite talking point isn't it more relevant?
It has a duty to teach doesn't mean you need to go visit. according to the report the school has a duty to teach about other religions/cultures - it is not clear if this particular trip was about islam - but so what if it was - given that its such a favourite talking point isn't it more relevant?
As somebody said above what a s
t boring trip that would have been.Pesty said:
It has a duty to teach doesn't mean you need to go visit.
As somebody said above what a st boring trip that would have been.
I am not sure what level of duty a school has to force its student to be in attendance - whether on a trip or in school day to day. Given that parents can 'get in trouble' for allowing their children to be truant I imagien a school trip is no different.As somebody said above what a s
t boring trip that would have been.I would be surprised if the chidlren didnt want to go - its the parents that have the problem. IMO I don't see the problem with letting them go on a museum type visit whether you agree with the subject matter or not. They are just being pricks.
The school may have gone over the top though - prob should have just let it slide.
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