Attend Islam class or be branded racist

[littlebasher]

HOGEPH said:

Mr and Mrs Robinson were delighted to find that their two children were officially racist in the eyes of the school.

That image reminded me of a typo in the script from my sons Y2 xmas play



whoops!

[ukwill]

We've had threads like this before, where posters have been adamant that the kids/parents should adhere to whatever the school has requested (I remember one about a school banning real ties!)

This is just another example of why I think that particular line of logic is well, a bit daft.

[chris watton]

Daniel Hannan said:

What is the single most depressing aspect of this letter. Is it the idea of labelling eight-year-olds racists? Is it the moronic conflation of religion and ethnicity? Is it the ugly grammar ("As such our expectations are that all children in years 4 to 6 attend school on Wednesday…")? Is it the bullying tone? Is it the unconscionable choice of font? Is it that someone can write that way and yet hold a position of authority in a school?

Or is it this: that how ever many times prime ministers declare multi-culturalism to be a failed ideology, a petty, officious, bossy, self-righteous, self-serving, Leftist chunk of the public sector remains stuck in 1980?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100...

[rambo19]

Religion should not be taught in schools.

[VinceFox]

rambo19 said:

Religion should not be taught in schools.

Bang on. I interview kids for FE and HE courses who have literacy and numeracy skills that are nothing short of fking WOEFUL. Until they sort that out, this st should be thrown out of the curriculum completely. Timewasting s.

[steveT350C]

VinceFox said:

rambo19 said:

Religion should not be taught in schools.

Bang on. I interview kids for FE and HE courses who have literacy and numeracy skills that are nothing short of fking WOEFUL. Until they sort that out, this st should be thrown out of the curriculum completely. Timewasting s.

The fact that religion has, and still does, effect so many people on this planet, I think some sort of awareness of the history and variations of religion should be part of a child's eduction, let's assume basic numeracy and literacy are sorted, so aged 10 +?

Trouble is, I don't trust anyone but myself to tell my kids the 'truth'.

And therein lies the problem.

[VinceFox]

steveT350C said:

VinceFox said:

rambo19 said:

Religion should not be taught in schools.

Bang on. I interview kids for FE and HE courses who have literacy and numeracy skills that are nothing short of fking WOEFUL. Until they sort that out, this st should be thrown out of the curriculum completely. Timewasting s.

The fact that religion has, and still does, effect so many people on this planet, I think some sort of awareness of the history and variations of religion should be part of a child's eduction, let's assume basic numeracy and literacy are sorted, so aged 10 +?

Trouble is, I don't trust anyone but myself to tell my kids the 'truth'.

And therein lies the problem.

The day i get a class of kids that can ALL read and write to the level they need to be able to by the time they leave school, i'll go along with that. don't hold your breath though.

[steveT350C]

VinceFox said:

steveT350C said:

VinceFox said:

rambo19 said:

Religion should not be taught in schools.

Bang on. I interview kids for FE and HE courses who have literacy and numeracy skills that are nothing short of fking WOEFUL. Until they sort that out, this st should be thrown out of the curriculum completely. Timewasting s.

The fact that religion has, and still does, effect so many people on this planet, I think some sort of awareness of the history and variations of religion should be part of a child's eduction, let's assume basic numeracy and literacy are sorted, so aged 10 +?

Trouble is, I don't trust anyone but myself to tell my kids the 'truth'.

And therein lies the problem.

The day i get a class of kids that can ALL read and write to the level they need to be able to by the time they leave school, i'll go along with that. don't hold your breath though.

So is aged 10 too young to discuss the basics of religion?

[VinceFox]

steveT350C said:

VinceFox said:

steveT350C said:

VinceFox said:

rambo19 said:

Religion should not be taught in schools.

Bang on. I interview kids for FE and HE courses who have literacy and numeracy skills that are nothing short of fking WOEFUL. Until they sort that out, this st should be thrown out of the curriculum completely. Timewasting s.

The fact that religion has, and still does, effect so many people on this planet, I think some sort of awareness of the history and variations of religion should be part of a child's eduction, let's assume basic numeracy and literacy are sorted, so aged 10 +?

Trouble is, I don't trust anyone but myself to tell my kids the 'truth'.

And therein lies the problem.

The day i get a class of kids that can ALL read and write to the level they need to be able to by the time they leave school, i'll go along with that. don't hold your breath though.

So is aged 10 too young to discuss the basics of religion?

It's not the age i have a problem with, it's the location.

[steveT350C]

VinceFox said:

steveT350C said:

VinceFox said:

steveT350C said:

VinceFox said:

rambo19 said:

Religion should not be taught in schools.

Bang on. I interview kids for FE and HE courses who have literacy and numeracy skills that are nothing short of fking WOEFUL. Until they sort that out, this st should be thrown out of the curriculum completely. Timewasting s.

The fact that religion has, and still does, effect so many people on this planet, I think some sort of awareness of the history and variations of religion should be part of a child's eduction, let's assume basic numeracy and literacy are sorted, so aged 10 +?

Trouble is, I don't trust anyone but myself to tell my kids the 'truth'.

And therein lies the problem.

The day i get a class of kids that can ALL read and write to the level they need to be able to by the time they leave school, i'll go along with that. don't hold your breath though.

So is aged 10 too young to discuss the basics of religion?

It's not the age i have a problem with, it's the location.

Sorry VinceFox, I don't understand. Location?

[VinceFox]

steveT350C said:

VinceFox said:

steveT350C said:

VinceFox said:

steveT350C said:

VinceFox said:

rambo19 said:

Religion should not be taught in schools.

Bang on. I interview kids for FE and HE courses who have literacy and numeracy skills that are nothing short of fking WOEFUL. Until they sort that out, this st should be thrown out of the curriculum completely. Timewasting s.

The fact that religion has, and still does, effect so many people on this planet, I think some sort of awareness of the history and variations of religion should be part of a child's eduction, let's assume basic numeracy and literacy are sorted, so aged 10 +?

Trouble is, I don't trust anyone but myself to tell my kids the 'truth'.

And therein lies the problem.

The day i get a class of kids that can ALL read and write to the level they need to be able to by the time they leave school, i'll go along with that. don't hold your breath though.

So is aged 10 too young to discuss the basics of religion?

It's not the age i have a problem with, it's the location.

Sorry VinceFox, I don't understand. Location?

Teach them religion in church. Teach them how to read, write and add up in schools. IF there's any spare time after theyre all up to snuff at the reading, writing and adding up THEN we can squander it on pixies and whatnot.

[steveT350C]

VinceFox said:

steveT350C said:

VinceFox said:

steveT350C said:

VinceFox said:

steveT350C said:

VinceFox said:

rambo19 said:

Religion should not be taught in schools.

Bang on. I interview kids for FE and HE courses who have literacy and numeracy skills that are nothing short of fking WOEFUL. Until they sort that out, this st should be thrown out of the curriculum completely. Timewasting s.

The fact that religion has, and still does, effect so many people on this planet, I think some sort of awareness of the history and variations of religion should be part of a child's eduction, let's assume basic numeracy and literacy are sorted, so aged 10 +?

Trouble is, I don't trust anyone but myself to tell my kids the 'truth'.

And therein lies the problem.

The day i get a class of kids that can ALL read and write to the level they need to be able to by the time they leave school, i'll go along with that. don't hold your breath though.

So is aged 10 too young to discuss the basics of religion?

It's not the age i have a problem with, it's the location.

Sorry VinceFox, I don't understand. Location?

Teach them religion in church. Teach them how to read, write and add up in schools. IF there's any spare time after theyre all up to snuff at the reading, writing and adding up THEN we can squander it on pixies and whatnot.

Thats a fair point!

My daughter is 2years and 2 months. She can count to 10, is learning the alphabet, and pretends she does not know a number when she really does. Ie joking around with me.

I would not want my kids taught about religion in a church. I would want them to discuss the concept of religion in an academic environment. In the same way I want them taught about music, geography, chemistry etc.

The pixies you mention are very important to the majority of the planet earth's population. I want my kids to have a basic understanding of that, irrespective of the fact that I, and you, think that sky pixies are a load of bks!

Edited by steveT350C on Saturday 23 November 00:17

[Mojooo]

TBH I would rather bin foreign languages before I binned R.E.

[GALLARDOGUY]

That's not a bad shout.

Learning French and Latin has been no end of use for me!

Only language worth learning these days is Japanese or similar

A friend who cleverly did just that joined a Japanese bank straight out of school and is now one of their top people with homes in Hong Kong and London and earns ridiculous amounts of money.

[steveT350C]

Agree-ish. learn the basics in Spanish, German, Mandarin, French etc.

It's not about being fluent in a language. The international language of business and science is English.

It's about respect. Simples!

Edited by steveT350C on Saturday 23 November 00:51

[Mr_B]

Education is still going toward allowing the religious nut jobs access to the kids - it's all about getting to the kids early to be the Jimmy Savile of their minds.
To show you how stupid it is with young adults, a story today tells how Universities have agreed on how men and women can be best segregated at lectures. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityedu...

I'd like to think that religious education might do some good in the case mentioned. Sadly, they'll get fed all the PC bullst niceness of religion and none of anything akin to reality. Trying to educate 8 year old Billy on why Mohammed his class mate is a Muslim probably is not best demonstrated by saying Mo has no clue why that is and it's all down to what his parents labeled him as at birth.

[Stuartggray]

dandarez said:

A letter from the headteacher Lynn Small (pic below) to parents sent last night apologised for ‘any inaccuracies’ in her previous correspondence.

She asked parents to ‘on reflection’ disregard a section of the earlier letter.

And she confirmed that pupils did not have to take part in the visit and that no racial tag would be attached to their school files.

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This country... all you can do now is despair.

When I was a kid MacMillan said we'd never had it so good.
He wasn't bloody joking!

Now we just
Send in the Clowns...
(I suppose you only have to look at her once to realise PC idiot of the highest order)

She looks as vacuous as the Bercow cow.

[GadgeS3C]

littlebasher said:

That image reminded me of a typo in the script from my sons Y2 xmas play



whoops!

That's stutterist!

Please see me after PH to collect your "I'm a Stutterist note".

[DJRC]

Either kids have changed an awful lot since my day or...I rather suspect they haven't. As such any "label" any teacher gives them that carries a negative connotation would be worn, displayed and prized above all else.

It is a long standing accurate observation about teachers that they really do understand fk all about kids.

[Mojocvh]

Pesty said:

Did we all know that children had files that could have labels attached to them? Did I miss a memo?

Oh yes Pesty, indeed up here in Salmonds little socialist Empire the labeling of children has been ongoing for some years....