Another naughty teacher

[MrBrightSi]

A lot of people need to look at their replies to this topic.

Jesus, never realised we pandered so fully to women, i mean can they ever be held responsible for anything? A lot of the replies are either wishing it happened to them or some excuse how a female nonce is no where near as evil as a male one because theres no "Physical" aspect.

I'm afraid anyone who wants to touch people up under 16 is a paedophile in the eyes of the law, irrespective if you want to let them off because they might let you have a bounce.

[Tiggsy]

errrr....while the first half of your post makes sense, calling someone who likes 16 year olds a paedo is on a par with idiots that murder pediatricians.

[dundarach]

Tiggsy said:

errrr....while the first half of your post makes sense, calling someone who likes 16 year olds a paedo is on a par with idiots that murder pediatricians.

It's the law...

Not that hard to understand though is it.

[spitsfire]

Tiggsy said:

Is it really??

I'd imagine there's a large number of 16 year olds that would rather have a fit 16 year old they can actually date than someone twice their age they can hook up with in a park when no one is looking.

Nope, you need to think like a 16 year old boy to understand this - anything that you aren't supposed to do is infinitely more attractive. If my recollection serves, 16 year old girls weren't much fun - they didn't know what they were doing, and were terribly insecure about anything to do with sex or their bodies.

Tiggsy said:

And as this has turned out - if it's something this kid looks back on with pride/bragging rights I'd suggest he moves in a social circle that's as lacking as his girlfriend choices!

Nothing to do with social circle, more to do with being a 16 year old boy. Surely you've seen American Pie? Stiffler's Mom?

[otolith]

dundarach said:

Tiggsy said:

errrr....while the first half of your post makes sense, calling someone who likes 16 year olds a paedo is on a par with idiots that murder pediatricians.

It's the law...

Not that hard to understand though is it.

Paedophilia isn't defined by law - someone does not cease to be a paedophile by going to a country where what he is doing is legal, nor become one by going to a country where it is not. The question of whether - for the purposes of the definition of the word - a 16 year old is physically a child, is independent of the age of consent, which must take into account a much wider range of factors than just physical maturity.

[clonmult]

MrBrightSi said:

I'm afraid anyone who wants to touch people up under 16 is a paedophile in the eyes of the law, irrespective if you want to let them off because they might let you have a bounce.

Thats not strictly true though, is it? What about two consenting 15 year olds? Both automatically paedophiles according to your logic.

[Tiggsy]

dundarach said:

Tiggsy said:

errrr....while the first half of your post makes sense, calling someone who likes 16 year olds a paedo is on a par with idiots that murder pediatricians.

It's the law...

Not that hard to understand though is it.

Seriously? Do you even know the definition of the word???? (and I suggest you use a dictionary, not The Sun)

[Tiggsy]

spitsfire said:

Tiggsy said:

Is it really??

I'd imagine there's a large number of 16 year olds that would rather have a fit 16 year old they can actually date than someone twice their age they can hook up with in a park when no one is looking.

Nope, you need to think like a 16 year old boy to understand this - anything that you aren't supposed to do is infinitely more attractive. If my recollection serves, 16 year old girls weren't much fun - they didn't know what they were doing, and were terribly insecure about anything to do with sex or their bodies.

I have teenage kids - I know a lot of teenage kids as a result. (Unfortunately) a teenage girl in 2013 may now differ from your recollection.

I still maintain it's something the kid will regard as a negative in his CV of life. Unless he's some sort of Jezza Kyle type.

[dundarach]

Tiggsy said:

Seriously? Do you even know the definition of the word???? (and I suggest you use a dictionary, not The Sun)

I did it was right after the word pedantic...

I felt the need to chip in as these threads become a roaming ground for people and their finer details.

He was simply stating where's the difference in the eyes of the law.

Not whether you would like to find one, but whether or not, between a woman and a man and a 16 year old of either sex, there should be one.

I think the law is pretty clear on this, not the definition of the word, the flavour of the conversation.

[Moonhawk]

DanielSan said:

Who made the complaint? If I was a 16 year old and a teacher who looked like that came onto me I'd be fking delighted, not complaining about it.

The same can be said of many girls. Take the case of that Jeremy guy a few months back. The girl clearly didn't make the complaint and even defended him in court. She was clearly "delighted" about their relationship.

Society tries to make out that teenage boys and girls are different when it comes to sex - that teenage lads are always 'up for it' whilst teenage girls must be the victim of grooming. IMO it's all bks - girls can be just as 'up for' a relationship with an older man as a boy can (and they can both suffer from abuse too).

The courts, media and society as whole really need to be consistent - this "sugar and spice and all things nice.......slugs and snails and puppy dogs tails" approach stinks. If society has deemed such relationships wrong - then the rules need to be applied across the board with equal weight. Very rarely do you see words like "paedo", "nonce" etc used when stories like this surface - yet reverse the sexes and the insults fly.

An interesting fact.......according to some official figures, abuse against boys is actually more likely to be carried out by a woman than a man (and also less likely to be reported).

[Frik]

MrBrightSi said:

A lot of people need to look at their replies to this topic.

Jesus, never realised we pandered so fully to women, i mean can they ever be held responsible for anything? A lot of the replies are either wishing it happened to them or some excuse how a female nonce is no where near as evil as a male one because theres no "Physical" aspect.

I'm afraid anyone who wants to touch people up under 16 is a paedophile in the eyes of the law, irrespective if you want to let them off because they might let you have a bounce.

Funny old world isn't it? Sexism comes in many forms, there are quite a few on this thread.

Whether the child is keen or not is irrelevant (and they're only a child so what do they know?). You cannot abuse your position of trust. It's a fundamentally terrible thing to do and the law rightly reflects that. A teacher who does this doesn't just do harm to the child and themselves but the also to the profession and anyone who works with children. Act like an adult ffs.

[otolith]

I suspect that the root of the double standard in the perception of abuse is the stud/slut double standard applied to promiscuous behaviour in males and females.

[Moonhawk]

spitsfire said:

Nope, you need to think like a 16 year old boy to understand this - anything that you aren't supposed to do is infinitely more attractive. If my recollection serves, 16 year old girls weren't much fun - they didn't know what they were doing, and were terribly insecure about anything to do with sex or their bodies.

Your description of teenage girls differs considerably from my experience with my female peers in the 1980s and also differs from that of my wife's own experiences as a teenage girl, hanging around with other teenage girls back in the 1970s.

[oyster]

Nikolai Petroff said:

I think that these cases are "grey zones" and need a flexible approach instead of blanket laws. There need to be the psych evaluation of the "victim" to determin harm, if any. Me, at 16 I would have thought all my Xmasses came at once if a hot teacher seduced me, you would have had to brainwash and electroshock me to make me feel otherwise.

With females getting less time for statutory rape, I think it all comes down that even a 15 yearl old male is stronger then an adult femal and there can be no question of physical coercion.

What bit of the concept of being a teacher do you not get?

[spitsfire]

Moonhawk said:

Your description of teenage girls differs considerably from my experience with my female peers in the 1980s and also differs from that of my wife's own experiences as a teenage girl, hanging around with other teenage girls back in the 1970s.

I'm not talking about 'teenagers' in general terms, more my specific experiences at a certain age (ie 14 to 16). With the benefit of hindsight, I don't think any of my peer group, both girls and boys, had any idea of what we were doing. We all had fear drilled into us at school; STDs and pregnancy were dwelled on more than the act itself, and peer pressure also produced its own fears and insecurities. My experience (and without wanting to brag, I did have a fair bit) was that we realised the potential, were energised by hormones, but didn't really understand how to make the most of sex. Not that I didn't have fun, but it got a hell of a lot better when I'd grown up a bit and knew what I was doing- probably by the time I was 18 and went to uni.

I also reckon that a lot of the girls that I knew in school and socially at that age were so self conscious and inhibited because the girls were, to be frank, utter bhes to each other, and their jibes often related to sexual activity (or lack thereof) and appearance.

I do appreciate that this won't be everybody's experience, but I think it's also the case that we forget the embarrassing, indiscreet, or unpleasant bits of our youth and remember the bits that fit in with what we're like as adults: I bet there are few people on here who'd admit to having played 'sniff my finger' at the school disco, but most of us know what it refers to.

[jonstable]

http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Jailed-teacher...

Here's one to put you off the teacher/pupil fantasies...

[Cooky]

jonstable said:

things that deflated the mood

Nasty...just nasty

[OllieC]

way to ruin the moment !

[GhostDriver]

otolith said:

I suspect that the root of the double standard in the perception of abuse is the stud/slut double standard applied to promiscuous behaviour in males and females.

Perfect explanation of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6UAtYlo7Io

[Ayahuasca]

GhostDriver said:

otolith said:

I suspect that the root of the double standard in the perception of abuse is the stud/slut double standard applied to promiscuous behaviour in males and females.

Perfect explanation of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6UAtYlo7Io

He has a point.