Paul walker of fast and furious fame dead.
Discussion
Roo said:
As long as you're happy to be proved right.
You are barking up the wrong tree.Right or wrong, makes no difference to me. The difference is that I am always happy to hold my hands up when I get it wrong. I hope others recognise that even fairly competent drivers can misjudge things with no exit plan at high speeds on the road with extreme consequences.
I am happy that the facts are now out, happy that we can now discuss it without upsetting some very blinkered folks that do not like any other form of speculation but their own, but very sad that two decent guys lost their lives by pushing the envelope in this way.
I hope that this very sad incident helps others understand what can happen when one bites off more than one can chew with a lot of danger at the roadside - even before a car failure intervenes. Simple message, keep it for the track days, it costs a few extra quid but is well worth it for the safety provided.
anonymous said:
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Then you have my sincere apologies. I clearly misinterpreted your reason to post like that and could not be arsed to go back and see if you were one of the many lobbing bombs at me and others a month ago. I guess that you would see that would be exactly the type of post I would expect to get in response from those people.Apologies again.
It's part of the human condition to believe what you want rather than hard facts?
'Sheriff's investigators are working with Porsche officials and the California Highway Patrol to determine the speed more exactly. Three data recorders survived the crash and fire and may produce information to pinpoint the speed.'
from:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/paul-walker-crash-car-...
I'm not sure I get the being proved right or wrong angle or comparisons with the Schumacher thread. Look how many people involved with motor sport at whatever level have had accidents and deaths that had nothing to do with driving fast cars on a track, but were known to take liberties and be push on drivers.
This Porsche was some LMP cast off, just as the 924 became a Porsche after VW/Audi who Porsche had designed and developed it for pulled the plug on it, Porsche picking it up at a knock down price.
The two deceased had a racing team. Roads aren't tracks. Roads don't have run off, tyre barriers, hay bales, armco etc. Roads in industrial estates aren't some risk reduced, designed by Tilke playground.
Racing, like life is a numbers game. If you keep on taking risks the chances of coming unstuck increase.
The newspapers tomorrow will be running with pictures of a chap taking his family down onto the sea wall in Mullion, Cornwall. His luck was in that day. On another one of his kids, all of them or him could have been in the drink.
'Sheriff's investigators are working with Porsche officials and the California Highway Patrol to determine the speed more exactly. Three data recorders survived the crash and fire and may produce information to pinpoint the speed.'
from:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/paul-walker-crash-car-...
I'm not sure I get the being proved right or wrong angle or comparisons with the Schumacher thread. Look how many people involved with motor sport at whatever level have had accidents and deaths that had nothing to do with driving fast cars on a track, but were known to take liberties and be push on drivers.
This Porsche was some LMP cast off, just as the 924 became a Porsche after VW/Audi who Porsche had designed and developed it for pulled the plug on it, Porsche picking it up at a knock down price.
The two deceased had a racing team. Roads aren't tracks. Roads don't have run off, tyre barriers, hay bales, armco etc. Roads in industrial estates aren't some risk reduced, designed by Tilke playground.
Racing, like life is a numbers game. If you keep on taking risks the chances of coming unstuck increase.
The newspapers tomorrow will be running with pictures of a chap taking his family down onto the sea wall in Mullion, Cornwall. His luck was in that day. On another one of his kids, all of them or him could have been in the drink.
Edited by carinaman on Saturday 4th January 01:40
Why would the coroners report name Walker as 'John Doe'? Link here-
http://news.sky.com/story/1190023/paul-walker-fast...
http://news.sky.com/story/1190023/paul-walker-fast...
philmh said:
Why would the coroners report name Walker as 'John Doe'? Link here-
http://news.sky.com/story/1190023/paul-walker-fast...
Is that not what they would do until he was formally identified ?http://news.sky.com/story/1190023/paul-walker-fast...
Saw the DM article earlier, agree that there's absolutely no reason to publish that sort of private information.
WRT "John Doe", my years of watching murder mysteries tell me that prior to formal/legal identification, bodies are tagged John Doe if they're male or Jane Doe if they're female. It's possible that Paul's body was deliberately unidentified to stop the information of its whereabouts being leaked. No doubt some idiot would try and make off with a fingernail or something.
ETA - I actually came here to post about the speed but got sidetracked by the body identification. I didn't want to believe the car was speeding but, I'm not at all surprised given the state of the accident scene. Quite glad that no anti-speed loonies have tried to jump on the back of Paul's death though.
WRT "John Doe", my years of watching murder mysteries tell me that prior to formal/legal identification, bodies are tagged John Doe if they're male or Jane Doe if they're female. It's possible that Paul's body was deliberately unidentified to stop the information of its whereabouts being leaked. No doubt some idiot would try and make off with a fingernail or something.
ETA - I actually came here to post about the speed but got sidetracked by the body identification. I didn't want to believe the car was speeding but, I'm not at all surprised given the state of the accident scene. Quite glad that no anti-speed loonies have tried to jump on the back of Paul's death though.
bexVN said:
So gutted that it does seem speed was the main factor afterall. I knew speed was involved to some extent but I really thought there'd have been another reason aswell.
One question I haven't read the latest report do they mean 100kph or 100mph?
MPHOne question I haven't read the latest report do they mean 100kph or 100mph?
Edited by bexVN on Saturday 4th January 01:53
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/03/showbiz/paul-wal...
Why are people surprised that it was going this fast?
bexVN said:
So gutted that it does seem speed was the main factor afterall. I knew speed was involved to some extent but I really thought there'd have been another reason aswell.
One question I haven't read the latest report do they mean 100kph or 100mph?
100 mph - but it's just a guess from a witness. Witness speaks to policeman. Policeman writes it in his report. Coroner writes in his report. I'd be more interested in the data from the Porsche DME.One question I haven't read the latest report do they mean 100kph or 100mph?
Edited by bexVN on Saturday 4th January 01:53
The coroner's report said no conclusion was reached about seat belts. However, injuries to Mr Walker noted as fractured collarbone, ribs and pelvis. If it's right collarbone, left ribs and left pelvis area then, based on fatal and serious RTAs i've been involved in, that would be strong evidence of wearing a seatbelt seated in the right hand side of a car.
I haven't checked the whole thread, but hopefully this isn't a repost. Previously anonymous car collection now identified as belonging to Paul Walker and Roger Rodas:
http://www.brobible.com/gear/article/paul-walkers-...
http://www.brobible.com/gear/article/paul-walkers-...
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/03/25/law-enforcem...
LOS ANGELES (AP) - The Porsche carrying "Fast & Furious" star Paul Walker was traveling approximately 90 mph when it lost control on a suburban street and crashed, killing the actor and his friend, according to an investigation by law enforcement agencies into the November accident.
The sports car slammed into a light pole which had a speed limit sign of 45 mph, killing Walker and Roger Rodas in a fiery wreck.
Investigators concluded that unsafe driving, not mechanical problems, caused the crash, according to a person who has reviewed a report by the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and California Highway Patrol. Investigators calculated that Rodas was driving between 81 mph and 94 mph when his 2005 Porsche Carrera GT began to drift as it lost control after coming out of a curve.
"The vehicle had no mechanical failure and the damage that occurred to the vehicle was from the collision," accident reconstruction specialists with the Highway Patrol wrote, according to the person, who requested anonymity because the report has not been officially released yet.
A spokeswoman said Tuesday that the Sheriff's Department had no new information to release regarding the investigation into the Nov. 30 crash. "We will have something in the very near future," department spokeswoman Nicole Nishida wrote in an email. The CHP declined comment.
The Associated Press reported in December that investigators had found no evidence that the car had mechanical problems and ruled out debris or other roadway conditions.
Subsequently, Porsche sent engineers to California to review the rare car's wreckage. Though it was badly mangled and burned, the engineers were able to do a thorough analysis. They found no problems with the car's electrical systems, brakes, throttle, fuel system, steering, suspension or other systems.
Porsche declined a request for comment Tuesday.
The conclusion about the speed was based on a "yaw" mark on the road that the car's tire left on the road in an area of industrial office parks in Santa Clarita, about 30 miles northwest of downtown Los Angeles. Witnesses told a sheriff's deputy that they thought the car could have been traveling in excess of 100 mph.
Post-crash investigators noted several issues with the condition of the car, which had several prior owners, including IndyCar driver Graham Rahal:
-Its original exhaust system had been modified in a way that could allow it to go faster, but also could have been done to change its sound.
-Its tires were about nine years old; the owner's manual suggests changing the tires after four years.
-Its left rear brake rotor was worn below manufacturer specifications, but that did not contribute to the crash.
Rodas, 38, and Walker, 40, had taken what was supposed to be a quick ride from a fundraiser benefiting Reach Out Worldwide, a Walker charity that gives first-response aid to victims of natural disasters. The crash occurred near the fundraiser, and horrified friends of the men raced to the scene.
While Rodas was Walker's financial adviser, the two had bonded over their shared love of fast cars. They co-owned an auto racing team named after Rodas' shop, Always Evolving, and Rodas drove professionally for the team on the Pirelli World Challenge circuit in 2013.
Walker starred in all but one of the six "Fast & Furious" blockbusters, which glorify muscular cars and risky driving.
Tyres would be pretty bad after 9 years! explains how the driver lost control of such a car at a relatively low speed (90mph).
Tragic.
LOS ANGELES (AP) - The Porsche carrying "Fast & Furious" star Paul Walker was traveling approximately 90 mph when it lost control on a suburban street and crashed, killing the actor and his friend, according to an investigation by law enforcement agencies into the November accident.
The sports car slammed into a light pole which had a speed limit sign of 45 mph, killing Walker and Roger Rodas in a fiery wreck.
Investigators concluded that unsafe driving, not mechanical problems, caused the crash, according to a person who has reviewed a report by the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and California Highway Patrol. Investigators calculated that Rodas was driving between 81 mph and 94 mph when his 2005 Porsche Carrera GT began to drift as it lost control after coming out of a curve.
"The vehicle had no mechanical failure and the damage that occurred to the vehicle was from the collision," accident reconstruction specialists with the Highway Patrol wrote, according to the person, who requested anonymity because the report has not been officially released yet.
A spokeswoman said Tuesday that the Sheriff's Department had no new information to release regarding the investigation into the Nov. 30 crash. "We will have something in the very near future," department spokeswoman Nicole Nishida wrote in an email. The CHP declined comment.
The Associated Press reported in December that investigators had found no evidence that the car had mechanical problems and ruled out debris or other roadway conditions.
Subsequently, Porsche sent engineers to California to review the rare car's wreckage. Though it was badly mangled and burned, the engineers were able to do a thorough analysis. They found no problems with the car's electrical systems, brakes, throttle, fuel system, steering, suspension or other systems.
Porsche declined a request for comment Tuesday.
The conclusion about the speed was based on a "yaw" mark on the road that the car's tire left on the road in an area of industrial office parks in Santa Clarita, about 30 miles northwest of downtown Los Angeles. Witnesses told a sheriff's deputy that they thought the car could have been traveling in excess of 100 mph.
Post-crash investigators noted several issues with the condition of the car, which had several prior owners, including IndyCar driver Graham Rahal:
-Its original exhaust system had been modified in a way that could allow it to go faster, but also could have been done to change its sound.
-Its tires were about nine years old; the owner's manual suggests changing the tires after four years.
-Its left rear brake rotor was worn below manufacturer specifications, but that did not contribute to the crash.
Rodas, 38, and Walker, 40, had taken what was supposed to be a quick ride from a fundraiser benefiting Reach Out Worldwide, a Walker charity that gives first-response aid to victims of natural disasters. The crash occurred near the fundraiser, and horrified friends of the men raced to the scene.
While Rodas was Walker's financial adviser, the two had bonded over their shared love of fast cars. They co-owned an auto racing team named after Rodas' shop, Always Evolving, and Rodas drove professionally for the team on the Pirelli World Challenge circuit in 2013.
Walker starred in all but one of the six "Fast & Furious" blockbusters, which glorify muscular cars and risky driving.
Tyres would be pretty bad after 9 years! explains how the driver lost control of such a car at a relatively low speed (90mph).
Tragic.
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