Michael Schumacher hurt skiing

[Bonefish Blues]

Cold said:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jun/11/mich...

Article said:

Reports that Michael Schumacher is to undergo stem cell surgery within days are inaccurate, it is understood. The Schumacher family declined to comment on reports being widely published on Thursday but it is believed they would not consider any such operation during the coronavirus outbreak.

Popular press speculation which is quickly quashed.

[Simes205]

The primary cause of this sad incident is from what I understand a helmet mounted camera piercing the helmet he was wearing.
I’m always surprised how many motorcyclists ride with one attached. I don’t!

[bristolracer]

Simes205 said:

The primary cause of this sad incident is from what I understand a helmet mounted camera piercing the helmet he was wearing.
I’m always surprised how many motorcyclists ride with one attached. I don’t!

Wow that is so fked up if that is the case.
Its hard to believe that a man who would have worn helmets everyday of his working life, and tested them pretty brutally too would compromise the structure of his helmet with a go pro mount.

[p1stonhead]

bristolracer said:

Simes205 said:

The primary cause of this sad incident is from what I understand a helmet mounted camera piercing the helmet he was wearing.
I’m always surprised how many motorcyclists ride with one attached. I don’t!

Wow that is so fked up if that is the case.
Its hard to believe that a man who would have worn helmets everyday of his working life, and tested them pretty brutally too would compromise the structure of his helmet with a go pro mount.

I think the GoPro thing was debunked or at least denied at the time. Not sure if it ever went further.

Extraordinarily unlucky if that is what contributed. Loads and loads of people on the slopes wear them.

[WestyCarl]

p1stonhead said:

I think the GoPro thing was debunked or at least denied at the time. Not sure if it ever went further.

Extraordinarily unlucky if that is what contributed. Loads and loads of people on the slopes wear them.

I read some similar items, except that the propoer go pro mount wasn't used. Won't mention details here as I have no idea if correct or not.

[tvrolet]

Not to mention that ski helmets aren't motorcycle helmets. IIRC for most the limiting speed of a direct impact before brain deceleration becomes life changing is about 20mph. Most folks ski way faster that 20mph, but in fairness many impacts will be glancing blows, so the helmet/brain deceleration won't be as fast as the actual speed across the ground. But too many folks IMHO have a false sense of the effectiveness of ski helmets. The interesting statistic is there has been no discernable reduction in life changing head injuries or deaths since the large-scale adoption of helmets by skiers, from the time when nobody did. I'm in danger of hijacking the thread here, but even with a helmet - with or without a go-pro - slamming your head at any significant rate into a rock (as was reported) isn't going to end well.

[feef]

p1stonhead said:

bristolracer said:

Simes205 said:

The primary cause of this sad incident is from what I understand a helmet mounted camera piercing the helmet he was wearing.
I’m always surprised how many motorcyclists ride with one attached. I don’t!

Wow that is so fked up if that is the case.
Its hard to believe that a man who would have worn helmets everyday of his working life, and tested them pretty brutally too would compromise the structure of his helmet with a go pro mount.

I think the GoPro thing was debunked or at least denied at the time. Not sure if it ever went further.

Extraordinarily unlucky if that is what contributed. Loads and loads of people on the slopes wear them.

It wasn't directly debunked, but I believe GoPro did sue the journalist who made the initial claim as there was no evidence to sugegest the camera was in any way at fault.

The BBC subsequently also carried out their own research as they use helmetcams quite extensively and found there was no issue
https://www.bbc.co.uk/safety/resources/safetynews/...

[biggbn]

WestyCarl said:

p1stonhead said:

I think the GoPro thing was debunked or at least denied at the time. Not sure if it ever went further.

Extraordinarily unlucky if that is what contributed. Loads and loads of people on the slopes wear them.

I read some similar items, except that the propoer go pro mount wasn't used. Won't mention details here as I have no idea if correct or not.

You just kinda did?

[Welshbeef]

20mph skiing is very slow skiing. Sure as the tub couloir increases in difficulty you’d be slower and slower but even then 20mph on a double black diamond wouldn’t be difficult.

Without trying I’d say 28-35mph is a nice pace - or it is for me. Sure can go faster but unless it’s the straight bit where sure 40+ is easy for even an utter novice to achieve.

Looking at the maps now of the incident I’m confident I went past it - without knowing in March this year. Didn’t think at the time to see where it happened.

Meribel is such a nice resort great skiing - dire nightlife.

[Simes205]

feef said:

p1stonhead said:

bristolracer said:

Simes205 said:

The primary cause of this sad incident is from what I understand a helmet mounted camera piercing the helmet he was wearing.
I’m always surprised how many motorcyclists ride with one attached. I don’t!

Wow that is so fked up if that is the case.
Its hard to believe that a man who would have worn helmets everyday of his working life, and tested them pretty brutally too would compromise the structure of his helmet with a go pro mount.

I think the GoPro thing was debunked or at least denied at the time. Not sure if it ever went further.

Extraordinarily unlucky if that is what contributed. Loads and loads of people on the slopes wear them.

It wasn't directly debunked, but I believe GoPro did sue the journalist who made the initial claim as there was no evidence to sugegest the camera was in any way at fault.

The BBC subsequently also carried out their own research as they use helmetcams quite extensively and found there was no issue
https://www.bbc.co.uk/safety/resources/safetynews/...

Thanks.

[dangerousB]

Welshbeef said:

Looking at the maps now of the incident I’m confident I went past it - without knowing in March this year. Didn’t think at the time to see where it happened.

If you'd been up to the Saulire and skied back to Meribel/Mottaret, you almost certainly did. It's a very unremarkable piece of the mountain.

[popeyewhite]

dangerousB said:

Welshbeef said:

Looking at the maps now of the incident I’m confident I went past it - without knowing in March this year. Didn’t think at the time to see where it happened.

If you'd been up to the Saulire and skied back to Meribel/Mottaret, you almost certainly did. It's a very unremarkable piece of the mountain.

Just a patch of low rocks off to the right of the piste into M, IIRC. Schumacher desperately unlucky.

[JuniorD]

feef said:

It wasn't directly debunked, but I believe GoPro did sue the journalist who made the initial claim as there was no evidence to sugegest the camera was in any way at fault.

The BBC subsequently also carried out their own research as they use helmetcams quite extensively and found there was no issue
https://www.bbc.co.uk/safety/resources/safetynews/...

I wouldn’t simply say there was no issue:

From the article:

“ That’s not to say the presence of the camera on the helmet is entirely a good thing. Whilst the injury threshold standards were not exceeded, the camera and its mount did cause a slight increase in the transference of force to the head when the impact was applied at an angle, such as in a glancing blow or fall against a surface - think of a climber falling and the camera catching on the rock face, causing the head to jerk back from its original path before the camera mount rotates or breaks away. And these findings held regardless of the helmet types tested (hardshell, hybrid and EPS foam), although the EPS foam helmets tended to outperform the other two types in reducing the amount of force which was transferred to the head during impact in these conditions.

Of course, these tests were done under very carefully controlled laboratory conditions. It is therefore not possible to simply conclude from this one study that using mini-cameras mounted to helmets is going to be safe in every situation. Variables of helmet fit, size, weight, the angle of impact and the energy of the object or fall, will all affect the end result. But the study does provide a good degree of confidence that the mounting of a camera to a climbing helmet will not necessarily compromise its safety performance for the impact scenarios investigated by this study, except with one important exception. Cameras should never be mounted at the front of the helmet looking back towards the wearer - often used to capture the facial expressions or identify the wearer. In any situation where the camera could pivot to below the rim of the helmet, whether on long stalks or mounted right on the rim, any significant frontal impact (such as a fall onto a rock face or the ground) would force the camera into the face, resulting in serious facial injury.”

[robinessex]

Attaching a Go Pro, or similar, to your helmet with Velcro works well. Almost any blow will remove, it without creating any dangerous forces.

[Centurion07]

Welshbeef said:

20mph skiing is very slow skiing. Sure as the tub couloir increases in difficulty you’d be slower and slower but even then 20mph on a double black diamond wouldn’t be difficult.

Without trying I’d say 28-35mph is a nice pace - or it is for me. Sure can go faster but unless it’s the straight bit where sure 40+ is easy for even an utter novice to achieve.

Looking at the maps now of the incident I’m confident I went past it - without knowing in March this year. Didn’t think at the time to see where it happened.

Meribel is such a nice resort great skiing - dire nightlife.

I think I can say with confidence that, in a thread about Michael Schumacher and his current condition, nobody gives a flying fk how fast you ski and if you may or may not have actually skied somewhere in the vicinity of where he had his accident.

Edited by Centurion07 on Tuesday 23 June 09:42

[anonymous-user]

Centurion07 said:

Welshbeef said:

20mph skiing is very slow skiing. Sure as the tub couloir increases in difficulty you’d be slower and slower but even then 20mph on a double black diamond wouldn’t be difficult.

Without trying I’d say 28-35mph is a nice pace - or it is for me. Sure can go faster but unless it’s the straight bit where sure 40+ is easy for even an utter novice to achieve.

Looking at the maps now of the incident I’m confident I went past it - without knowing in March this year. Didn’t think at the time to see where it happened.

Meribel is such a nice resort great skiing - dire nightlife.

I think I can say with confidence that, in a thread about Michael Schumacher and his current condition, anybody gives a flying fk how fast you ski and if you may or may not have actually skied somewhere in the vicinity of where he had his accident.

I think the word you mean is ‘nobody’

[Centurion07]

garyhun said:

I think the word you mean is ‘nobody’

Dammitt.

I was editing and re-wording so it was marginally less offensive and obviously missed that one. Should've stuck with the original.

I think the sentiment is still there though.

[rigga]

Only Welshbeef could post something like that .......

[Welshbeef]

Centurion07 said:

I think I can say with confidence that, in a thread about Michael Schumacher and his current condition, nobody gives a flying fk how fast you ski and if you may or may not have actually skied somewhere in the vicinity of where he had his accident.

Edited by Centurion07 on Tuesday 23 June 09:42

Wow you got out of bed on the wrong side buddy.

[untakenname]

robinessex said:

Attaching a Go Pro, or similar, to your helmet with Velcro works well. Almost any blow will remove, it without creating any dangerous forces.

I'd rather have a secure mount and run the slightly increased risk of injury than lose £500 worth of camera from a slight glancing blow tbh.

It's a shame that Gopro haven't continued their Session form factor as they were ideally suited to mounting on helmets.