The truth about immigration
Discussion
Mermaid said:
- Almost half of the new jobs created since 2010 have gone to foreign born workers.
- EU enlargement and the march of globalisation have led to a marked rise in the UK’s foreign born workforce. The proportion of people working in the UK who were not born here has risen from 9% in to 15% in the last 10 years. Over this time period foreign born workers have accounted for the great majority of the job growth in the UK.
Rovinghawk said:
Mermaid said:
- Almost half of the new jobs created since 2010 have gone to foreign born workers.
- EU enlargement and the march of globalisation have led to a marked rise in the UK’s foreign born workforce. The proportion of people working in the UK who were not born here has risen from 9% in to 15% in the last 10 years. Over this time period foreign born workers have accounted for the great majority of the job growth in the UK.
Foreign worker come over and gets a job taking money from a UK employer and lives in a bed sit sending most of their earnings home thus removing money from the UK economy.
If more was spent in the UK then area's of high foriegn population would not be the ones that UK PLC end up having to redevelop at huge cost due to them having become rundown, and the workers on the redevelopment projects, mostly foreign?
gruffalo said:
I do have a problem with this and my reason is as follows.
Foreign worker come over and gets a job taking money from a UK employer and lives in a bed sit sending most of their earnings home thus removing money from the UK economy.
If more was spent in the UK then area's of high foriegn population would not be the ones that UK PLC end up having to redevelop at huge cost due to them having become rundown, and the workers on the redevelopment projects, mostly foreign?
Awaits 15 graphs about "boomeranging" money.Foreign worker come over and gets a job taking money from a UK employer and lives in a bed sit sending most of their earnings home thus removing money from the UK economy.
If more was spent in the UK then area's of high foriegn population would not be the ones that UK PLC end up having to redevelop at huge cost due to them having become rundown, and the workers on the redevelopment projects, mostly foreign?
Funkycoldribena said:
gruffalo said:
I do have a problem with this and my reason is as follows.
Foreign worker come over and gets a job taking money from a UK employer and lives in a bed sit sending most of their earnings home thus removing money from the UK economy.
If more was spent in the UK then area's of high foriegn population would not be the ones that UK PLC end up having to redevelop at huge cost due to them having become rundown, and the workers on the redevelopment projects, mostly foreign?
Awaits 15 graphs about "boomeranging" money.Foreign worker come over and gets a job taking money from a UK employer and lives in a bed sit sending most of their earnings home thus removing money from the UK economy.
If more was spent in the UK then area's of high foriegn population would not be the ones that UK PLC end up having to redevelop at huge cost due to them having become rundown, and the workers on the redevelopment projects, mostly foreign?
No wonder a Polish worker works so hard when hes on four times his own countries average wage,why would a British worker slog his guts out for 6 quid an hour which wont even buy a packet of fags or petrol to get to work? All I hear is "they're such hard grafters".Pay a British worker in Tesco,Starbucks etc 24 quid an hour and I reckon they'll graft pretty damn hard and actually care about losing their job.
Foppo said:
I am getting bored with this argument.Blame the Employers taking on the foreign worker instead of the British worker.It suits the Employer.Foriegn worker not in a union,he she can be fired anytime.A win win for the employer.
It would be illegal for the employer to preferentially employ British workers - how can you blame him for taking what it objectively the best deal?otolith said:
It would be illegal for the employer to preferentially employ British workers - how can you blame him for taking what it objectively the best deal?
You can't blame people for taking advantage of the system,whether it be immigrants, workers, the feckless or employers - it's the systems that are wrong and need changing.Funkycoldribena said:
No wonder a Polish worker works so hard when hes on four times his own countries average wage,why would a British worker slog his guts out for 6 quid an hour which wont even buy a packet of fags or petrol to get to work? All I hear is "they're such hard grafters".Pay a British worker in Tesco,Starbucks etc 24 quid an hour and I reckon they'll graft pretty damn hard and actually care about losing their job.
Nail on the head.Funkycoldribena said:
No wonder a Polish worker works so hard when hes on four times his own countries average wage,why would a British worker slog his guts out for 6 quid an hour which wont even buy a packet of fags or petrol to get to work? All I hear is "they're such hard grafters".Pay a British worker in Tesco,Starbucks etc 24 quid an hour and I reckon they'll graft pretty damn hard and actually care about losing their job.
Funkycoldribena said:
No wonder a Polish worker works so hard when hes on four times his own countries average wage,why would a British worker slog his guts out for 6 quid an hour which wont even buy a packet of fags or petrol to get to work? All I hear is "they're such hard grafters".Pay a British worker in Tesco,Starbucks etc 24 quid an hour and I reckon they'll graft pretty damn hard and actually care about losing their job.
The Polish worker will be paying UK prices when they're over here, £6.31/hour may well be more than they'd get in Poland but the cost of living in the UK is about double that of Poland.I use a fair few agency workers when we're busy, I've had a few good British ones but in general the Poles/Lithuanians are more reliable, harder working and all round easier to deal with. The agency charges about £9.50/hr for unskilled manual workers, it's a shame that the money can't go direct to the worker but the way things are it's just not worth putting someone on the books for a short term contract.
RYH64E said:
Funkycoldribena said:
No wonder a Polish worker works so hard when hes on four times his own countries average wage,why would a British worker slog his guts out for 6 quid an hour which wont even buy a packet of fags or petrol to get to work? All I hear is "they're such hard grafters".Pay a British worker in Tesco,Starbucks etc 24 quid an hour and I reckon they'll graft pretty damn hard and actually care about losing their job.
The Polish worker will be paying UK prices when they're over here, £6.31/hour may well be more than they'd get in Poland but the cost of living in the UK is about double that of Poland.Puggit said:
The eastern Europeans live many to a house and have no airs and graces about them - unlike the indigenous population who all expect a house each.
Some do, some don't. In many parts of the country it's perfectly possible for a couple both earning minimum wage to rent a house together, take home pay would be circa £2k per month and a small house can be rented for less than £600 per month (not in London or the South East obviously).RYH64E said:
Funkycoldribena said:
No wonder a Polish worker works so hard when hes on four times his own countries average wage,why would a British worker slog his guts out for 6 quid an hour which wont even buy a packet of fags or petrol to get to work? All I hear is "they're such hard grafters".Pay a British worker in Tesco,Starbucks etc 24 quid an hour and I reckon they'll graft pretty damn hard and actually care about losing their job.
The Polish worker will be paying UK prices when they're over here, £6.31/hour may well be more than they'd get in Poland but the cost of living in the UK is about double that of Poland.I use a fair few agency workers when we're busy, I've had a few good British ones but in general the Poles/Lithuanians are more reliable, harder working and all round easier to deal with. The agency charges about £9.50/hr for unskilled manual workers, it's a shame that the money can't go direct to the worker but the way things are it's just not worth putting someone on the books for a short term contract.
The difference I suspect between Polish and British workers is a cultural one. That's not to say that British people are not capable of working hard, but I would expect things in Poland are a lot closer to "don't work, don't eat" than they are here where things are more cushy. If the consequences of not working in the UK were greater, British workers would be more productive. After a while (10 years/the next generation) I expect Polish workers to become just as un-hard working as the British because they will have got used to the system here.
Esseesse said:
RYH64E said:
Funkycoldribena said:
No wonder a Polish worker works so hard when hes on four times his own countries average wage,why would a British worker slog his guts out for 6 quid an hour which wont even buy a packet of fags or petrol to get to work? All I hear is "they're such hard grafters".Pay a British worker in Tesco,Starbucks etc 24 quid an hour and I reckon they'll graft pretty damn hard and actually care about losing their job.
The Polish worker will be paying UK prices when they're over here, £6.31/hour may well be more than they'd get in Poland but the cost of living in the UK is about double that of Poland.I use a fair few agency workers when we're busy, I've had a few good British ones but in general the Poles/Lithuanians are more reliable, harder working and all round easier to deal with. The agency charges about £9.50/hr for unskilled manual workers, it's a shame that the money can't go direct to the worker but the way things are it's just not worth putting someone on the books for a short term contract.
The difference I suspect between Polish and British workers is a cultural one. That's not to say that British people are not capable of working hard, but I would expect things in Poland are a lot closer to "don't work, don't eat" than they are here where things are more cushy. If the consequences of not working in the UK were greater, British workers would be more productive. After a while (10 years/the next generation) I expect Polish workers to become just as un-hard working as the British because they will have got used to the system here.
Time for another bonfire of the ignorant muppets again is it? The amount of money our foreign earners are taking out of the economy is chicken feed s
t. This is especially true when you look at the other side of the ledger. Have you got any idea how much mercenary piratical bds like me steal out of foreign economies? Billions. Because the thousands of working Brit ex pats are paid in the hundreds of thousands of pounds not the minimum wage. And we send the vast majority of it back into the UK economy. The ledger balances very much on the UK side.
t. This is especially true when you look at the other side of the ledger. Have you got any idea how much mercenary piratical bds like me steal out of foreign economies? Billions. Because the thousands of working Brit ex pats are paid in the hundreds of thousands of pounds not the minimum wage. And we send the vast majority of it back into the UK economy. The ledger balances very much on the UK side.Funkycoldribena said:
No wonder a Polish worker works so hard when hes on four times his own countries average wage,why would a British worker slog his guts out for 6 quid an hour which wont even buy a packet of fags or petrol to get to work? All I hear is "they're such hard grafters".Pay a British worker in Tesco,Starbucks etc 24 quid an hour and I reckon they'll graft pretty damn hard and actually care about losing their job.
It seems that quite a few people like your post. If I may ask few questions;1) Will those 6 quid buy petrol for Polish worker to get to work?
2) If you pay people in Tesco and Starbucks 24 quid an hour, what do you think would happen to prices of their respective products?
league67 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
No wonder a Polish worker works so hard when hes on four times his own countries average wage,why would a British worker slog his guts out for 6 quid an hour which wont even buy a packet of fags or petrol to get to work? All I hear is "they're such hard grafters".Pay a British worker in Tesco,Starbucks etc 24 quid an hour and I reckon they'll graft pretty damn hard and actually care about losing their job.
It seems that quite a few people like your post. If I may ask few questions;1) Will those 6 quid buy petrol for Polish worker to get to work?
2) If you pay people in Tesco and Starbucks 24 quid an hour, what do you think would happen to prices of their respective products?
2. Tell us your angle then, I don't think that very much would actually happen at all tbh.
Honest decent hard working tradesman in the Home Counties with 2 kids and a mortgage are seriously suffering due to cheap labour from Eastern Europe. Simple fact.
These suffering local tradesman, some I went to school with, I either hire or are mates, or indeed both. They are being seriously undercut, or, are loosing jobs outright because they are honest and cannot take cash in hand jobs. The cash in hand labour / trade market is booming, to the detriment of said mates and Gov tax revenue
These suffering local tradesman, some I went to school with, I either hire or are mates, or indeed both. They are being seriously undercut, or, are loosing jobs outright because they are honest and cannot take cash in hand jobs. The cash in hand labour / trade market is booming, to the detriment of said mates and Gov tax revenue
Edited by steveT350C on Tuesday 3rd June 20:53
DJRC said:
Time for another bonfire of the ignorant muppets again is it? The amount of money our foreign earners are taking out of the economy is chicken feed st. This is especially true when you look at the other side of the ledger. Have you got any idea how much mercenary piratical bds like me steal out of foreign economies? Billions. Because the thousands of working Brit ex pats are paid in the hundreds of thousands of pounds not the minimum wage. And we send the vast majority of it back into the UK economy. The ledger balances very much on the UK side.
We have always had mercenariest. This is especially true when you look at the other side of the ledger. Have you got any idea how much mercenary piratical bds like me steal out of foreign economies? Billions. Because the thousands of working Brit ex pats are paid in the hundreds of thousands of pounds not the minimum wage. And we send the vast majority of it back into the UK economy. The ledger balances very much on the UK side.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff