Policeman arrests protestor for 'alleged' (made-up) DUI
Discussion
TerryThomas said:
That's a fair response La Liga.
These days though, the police force is viewed as less trustworthy than second hand car dealers. The only reason for that can be their own behaviour. Surely this dismays you?
There is some truth in that. Part of it, though, is the privatisation of certain types of enforcement, specifically speeding. I'm surprised by how much the traditional, middle class, law abiding people - traditionally the supporters of the police are gradually becoming less supportive. Safety camera partnerships they may be, but the police get the blame for 'sneaky tactics' and 'didn't come when my car was broken into.'.These days though, the police force is viewed as less trustworthy than second hand car dealers. The only reason for that can be their own behaviour. Surely this dismays you?
Blame the politicians and their 'something must be done' mentality.
RH knows me too well!
Ipsos MORI have been running the longest-running 'trust in professions' survey since 1982. It's limited like any survey (only 1000 people per year), but we're talking about 34 sets of samples so there's certainly validity, especially when considering the consistency.
This is last year's data:
Here's the historic data:
A couple of points -
1) The police have been in the high 60s since the survey began and have consistently remained there.
2) The only real movers are the Clergy/Priests who have gone from being the most trusted, to much less trusted. Perhaps a reflection of the more secular society we now live in.
3) Hairdressers are trusted more than the police this year! But this is the first year they've been added so one data point isn't reliable etc etc.
Can a police officer be more trusted to tell the truth now than in the 1980s? I'm not sure. The conclusion from this data contradicts the view that they (and most other professions) are less trusted than before, or trust is eroding over time.
What I am sure about is that the systems and processes that hold the police to account can be much more trusted. If you went to make a complaint about police wrong-doing in 1982, I don't think you'd get quite the same response as today. I was told by someone now retired that if someone came to make a complaint about a police officer in the early 1980s the person complaining would often end up in a cell themselves or be physically thrown out of the station. These days internal investigatory departments, the IPCC and the courts regularly see officers dismissed for wrong-doing.
Greater accountability and information accessibility is a double-edged sword in terms of trust and confidence. Information that in decades we would never have been exposed to is instantly accessible to most of the population. In the past you probably wouldn't have heard of a police officer being investigated in Somerset if you lived in Newcastle, nor would you have online reports you can read from an independent body or a publicly-open misconduct hearing who have investigated police wrong-doing.
Things aren't perfect and I've never claimed they are, but I don't think a lot of people take the perspective they need to when they are actually discussing these things.
Here's the full trust data set which makes for some interesting reading: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/ipsos...
TerryThomas said:
That's a fair response La Liga.
These days though, the police force is viewed as less trustworthy than second hand car dealers. The only reason for that can be their own behaviour. Surely this dismays you?
It's interesting you mention trust. These days though, the police force is viewed as less trustworthy than second hand car dealers. The only reason for that can be their own behaviour. Surely this dismays you?
Ipsos MORI have been running the longest-running 'trust in professions' survey since 1982. It's limited like any survey (only 1000 people per year), but we're talking about 34 sets of samples so there's certainly validity, especially when considering the consistency.
This is last year's data:
Here's the historic data:
A couple of points -
1) The police have been in the high 60s since the survey began and have consistently remained there.
2) The only real movers are the Clergy/Priests who have gone from being the most trusted, to much less trusted. Perhaps a reflection of the more secular society we now live in.
3) Hairdressers are trusted more than the police this year! But this is the first year they've been added so one data point isn't reliable etc etc.
Can a police officer be more trusted to tell the truth now than in the 1980s? I'm not sure. The conclusion from this data contradicts the view that they (and most other professions) are less trusted than before, or trust is eroding over time.
What I am sure about is that the systems and processes that hold the police to account can be much more trusted. If you went to make a complaint about police wrong-doing in 1982, I don't think you'd get quite the same response as today. I was told by someone now retired that if someone came to make a complaint about a police officer in the early 1980s the person complaining would often end up in a cell themselves or be physically thrown out of the station. These days internal investigatory departments, the IPCC and the courts regularly see officers dismissed for wrong-doing.
Greater accountability and information accessibility is a double-edged sword in terms of trust and confidence. Information that in decades we would never have been exposed to is instantly accessible to most of the population. In the past you probably wouldn't have heard of a police officer being investigated in Somerset if you lived in Newcastle, nor would you have online reports you can read from an independent body or a publicly-open misconduct hearing who have investigated police wrong-doing.
Things aren't perfect and I've never claimed they are, but I don't think a lot of people take the perspective they need to when they are actually discussing these things.
Here's the full trust data set which makes for some interesting reading: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/ipsos...
Edited video, posted on a overwhelming biased website, by an anonymous biased ''journalist' with exerts like the below...
It’s clear from this footage that the videographer was targeted by this crazed copper because police didn’t want him filming them as they roughed-up peaceful protesters (since police appear to be able to wipe their conscious while playing the role of corporate thug
Please Pistonheads, I had faith in your level of common sense!
It’s clear from this footage that the videographer was targeted by this crazed copper because police didn’t want him filming them as they roughed-up peaceful protesters (since police appear to be able to wipe their conscious while playing the role of corporate thug
Please Pistonheads, I had faith in your level of common sense!
fblm said:
La Liga said:
1) The police have been in the high 60s since the survey began and have consistently remained there.
The same as a random person in the street... it's not exactly a ringing endorsement. Especially when you start at 100% when kids are little.It depends how you want to frame it. You could say that they're trusted more than most occupations.
Either way, it's perception-based so riddled with human bias and error and if it were possible to measure actual trust I expect the results wouldn't correlate with the data above.
My point was there hasn't really been any decay (or increase) over a good period of time
eldar said:
There is some truth in that. Part of it, though, is the privatisation of certain types of enforcement, specifically speeding. I'm surprised by how much the traditional, middle class, law abiding people - traditionally the supporters of the police are gradually becoming less supportive. Safety camera partnerships they may be, but the police get the blame for 'sneaky tactics' and 'didn't come when my car was broken into.'.
Blame the politicians and their 'something must be done' mentality.
Flaky coppers pre-date that.Blame the politicians and their 'something must be done' mentality.
You're also ignoring Common Purpose Future Leaders working to their own vested interests and whatever greater cause they're working for.
Kehoe's trumped up Drunk Driving f3ck wittery has nothing to do with those two issues.
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