Policeman arrests protestor for 'alleged' (made-up) DUI

[slartibartfast]

Police unlawfully arrest protector at Barton Moss Road Fracking
http://youtu.be/jC-u_Ig95nE

none of it makes much sense anymore... any ideas why these two were taken out?

[aw51 121565]

I've already posted this on one of the other ( ) threads - the matter has been referred to GMP's Professional Standards Department now.

[Mk3Spitfire]

fblm said:

Sadly that's my only experience of the British Police with only one exception; when my Alpina was stolen she told me "well you were asking for it with a car like that", which I guess wasn't dishonest or threatening. It's still pi55 poor though. I don't give a st if they have a 'difficult job', lots of people do without being jumped up bully boy pr1cks. No time for them at all.

Feel free to stay in Monaco then. We won't miss you.

[eldar]

XCP said:

I must say that I have had experience of dealing with scores of drink driving cases over many years. Quite a few involved people denying

1. That they had been drinking
2. That they had been driving
3. That I had the power to do whatever I was doing
4. That they were going to provide a specimen.

Often one of these, sometimes all 4.

Basically it's par for the course. Makes you wonder why CPS authorised a charge in the first place if the case was so slim. I thought the days of grumpy custody officers charging on a wing and a prayer had gone years ago. I suspect there is more than meets the eye involved, not for the first time.

My understanding is that if you are arrested on suspicion of DD (or refusal to blow) you cannot be formally charged or released from custody until it is established you are sober, at least below the DD limit. Normally by blowing a clear test.

All seems a bit odd.

[numtumfutunch]

I am a stereotypical public sector bleeding heart liberal sink estate kid made good
Over the years I have had many interactions with the police at work which have been generally positive
Like me and my workmates most police folk probably have no probity issues and are committed to doing a good job

Unfortunately I have also had experience of the few which give the rest of you a bad name
From being a harassed teenager, through an often pulled 20 something to being stopped for "drink driving"as a 45y old when Ive been teetotal I have had my patience tested many, many times

Therefore my initial thoughts on watching this vid were that the victim may have been taking the piss however the copper was looking at stiffing him for a made up allegation of failing to provide a breath specimen

If I as a semi decent member of society have a heavy cynicism of plod what chance do the rest of the plebs (sic) have of trusting you???

Cheers

[Rovinghawk]

Mk3Spitfire said:

fblm said:

Sadly that's my only experience of the British Police with only one exception; when my Alpina was stolen she told me "well you were asking for it with a car like that", which I guess wasn't dishonest or threatening. It's still pi55 poor though. I don't give a st if they have a 'difficult job', lots of people do without being jumped up bully boy pr1cks. No time for them at all.

Feel free to stay in Monaco then. We won't miss you.

You might want to consider a transfer to public relations.

[munroman]

Rovinghawk said:

Mk3Spitfire said:

fblm said:

Sadly that's my only experience of the British Police with only one exception; when my Alpina was stolen she told me "well you were asking for it with a car like that", which I guess wasn't dishonest or threatening. It's still pi55 poor though. I don't give a st if they have a 'difficult job', lots of people do without being jumped up bully boy pr1cks. No time for them at all.

Feel free to stay in Monaco then. We won't miss you.

You might want to consider a transfer to public relations.

Don't worry, what 'people like us' say about the Police is like water off a duck's back to Spit the Plod.

[Halb]

slartibartfast said:

watch the video below and you'll come to the conclusion that Steven has been to the protest on many occasions and is known by name to the officer (Sergeant David Kehoe) and this very sergeant is in this very video uploaded 6th Jan.
http://youtu.be/iv-ZxDiQ6VM
seems not all is what it seems.

The cop was irritated by Lawful Observer and finally allowed himself to be spurred to get back at him in the only way he could?

[carinaman]

Halb said:

The cop was irritated by Lawful Observer and finally allowed himself to be spurred to get back at him in the only way he could?

Or police officer tried it on with an Electrical Engineer that has a Doctorate in Metaphysical Sciences and tried it on with the wrong person?

carinaman said:

If you're from an Engineering background you may find some of the tools you'll have to deal with within the police hard going.

from: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[herewego]

Halb said:

slartibartfast said:

watch the video below and you'll come to the conclusion that Steven has been to the protest on many occasions and is known by name to the officer (Sergeant David Kehoe) and this very sergeant is in this very video uploaded 6th Jan.
http://youtu.be/iv-ZxDiQ6VM
seems not all is what it seems.

The cop was irritated by Lawful Observer and finally allowed himself to be spurred to get back at him in the only way he could?

I don't think so, he looked quite calm, he simply prevented the guy from filming something else.

[XCP]

eldar said:

My understanding is that if you are arrested on suspicion of DD (or refusal to blow) you cannot be formally charged or released from custody until it is established you are sober, at least below the DD limit. Normally by blowing a clear test.

All seems a bit odd.

Well I don't know what the charge was so it's all a bit of guesswork. However if the charge related to non provision of a sample at a police station, then yes, he would have been detained under S.10 until the custody officer was certain he was fit to drive. That can take a long time if the detainee is refusing to provide a breath test!
Interestingly, the charge for a station refusal does not mention driving. It is merely that you refused 'during the course of an investigation...' There is no need to prove driving just that an investigation as to whether you were or not was taking place.

[slartibartfast]

herewego said:

Halb said:

slartibartfast said:

watch the video below and you'll come to the conclusion that Steven has been to the protest on many occasions and is known by name to the officer (Sergeant David Kehoe) and this very sergeant is in this very video uploaded 6th Jan.
http://youtu.be/iv-ZxDiQ6VM
seems not all is what it seems.

The cop was irritated by Lawful Observer and finally allowed himself to be spurred to get back at him in the only way he could?

I don't think so, he looked quite calm, he simply prevented the guy from filming something else.

To be fair to the officer he does often mention other videos on Steve spy's youtube channel that
"you can't be a lawful observer one minute and a protestor the next"

Which is very very true and IMO Steve spy was trying to irritate and goad the office into something.

[Halb]

They were arguing over the minutiae of the status of being a 'lawful observer', the cop seems to think that LO was a protester as well. Though LO denies that.

[DonkeyApple]

munroman said:

DonkeyApple said:

I have to say that my experience of the Police in recent years has been one of dishonesty and threats. Something has changed.

Mobile phones and YouTube means that their lies are now being being made public.

I think there is certainly validity in that.

For me it all began to change as more anti terrorism laws came in giving the police more and more power. My belief is that when you hand a man a pair of heavy boots and a uniform then giving more and more power only results in one thing. The ahole factor going through the roof.

The vast majority of police are great people doing an important job but the number who seem to think they are special forces in a secret mission backed by the president seems to have gone through the roof.

Personally I'd be removing power from the police and at the same time giving them much more backing for the powers they remain with. But when you see that the fabrication of evidence goes right to the top and the foot soldiers are beginning to act more like Russian police than English police then there is an issue that needs redressing. For example, how can you possibly have faith in the Duggan situation after seeing Plebgate.

[eldar]

XCP said:

Well I don't know what the charge was so it's all a bit of guesswork. However if the charge related to non provision of a sample at a police station, then yes, he would have been detained under S.10 until the custody officer was certain he was fit to drive. That can take a long time if the detainee is refusing to provide a breath test!
Interestingly, the charge for a station refusal does not mention driving. It is merely that you refused 'during the course of an investigation...' There is no need to prove driving just that an investigation as to whether you were or not was taking place.

Thanks. That makes things cleared for me.

[10 Pence Short]

I would imagine the charge was refusing to provide a preliminary breath sample contrary to s6(6) of the Road Traffic Act. Whilst the arresting officers could claim the necessary suspicion that the protester had been drinking (having had the story of drinking from the original officer), I would have thought the behaviour of the original officer in inventing that story would leave the charge susceptible to an abuse of process submission.

[XCP]

10 Pence Short said:

I would imagine the charge was refusing to provide a preliminary breath sample contrary to s6(6) of the Road Traffic Act. Whilst the arresting officers could claim the necessary suspicion that the protester had been drinking (having had the story of drinking from the original officer), I would have thought the behaviour of the original officer in inventing that story would leave the charge susceptible to an abuse of process submission.

It would be interesting to know what happened at the police station and whether the station test was refused etc.

[carinaman]

DonkeyApple said:

The vast majority of police are great people doing an important job but the number who seem to think they are special forces in a secret mission backed by the president seems to have gone through the roof.

Perhaps it was the location and accents, but this reminded me of the Miner's Strike. Osbourne says Fracking will give us cheap energy like the US, when it will be sold on the open energy markets rather than being 'ours' to provide cheaper bills. It's a political project just as the Miner's Strike was. Fracking, like the Miner's Strike will benefit Big Business and the privatised Energy companies.

Would this accusation have happened if the Lords had signed off the Super-ASBO?

[carinaman]

Rebekah Brooks may have been acquitted of authorising payments to photos of Prince William in a bikini at Sandhurst due to doubts over their source, but it seems they'll soon be able to charge her with being drunk in charge of a footpath instead:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...

[aw51 121565]

Back on topic, the matter in hand will now be investigated by GMP and their investigation overseen by the IPCC.