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I do not know why you have a bee in your hat about the Indy. I don't read it or put it forward as some paragon of journalism. I have no loyalty to it, and don't care if anyone slags it off. You seem very upset that anyone might suggest that the Mail is a famously mendacious and irresponsible publication, but such a suggestion is hardly novel.
As I mentioned, I have no great regard for the Indy, and hardly ever look at it. Its influence is, I suspect, quite small, as it does not have a high circulation. The high circulation Mail is more harmful, I think, because it contributes to the population being ill informed, and a democracy needs a well informed population. The Mail also sows division and promotes suspicion of others. It has been the same throughout its existence, so its pro Hitler past and the Zinoviev letter (using a forgery to bring down an elected government) are not mere historical anecdotes.
carinaman said:
Breadvan72, I am not sure what the fibs are in this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2563377/No...
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Harman has challenged the allegations in the article. I do not not where the truth lies on that one. The interesting thing may be that the Mail has been front paging this story whilst the Ukrainian situation was reaching its crisis point and whilst various other quite big things happened nationally and internationally. This may give some indication of the Mail's news agenda. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2563377/No...
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Edgy pro bono JR post? You'll have to remind me about that, as I can't remember all the nonsense I post.
BTW, damages are not usually awarded in JR cases. There are exceptions, but most cases involve non financial remedies.
The LSE Library doesn't have any evidence about DLT allegedly groping people? How very surprising! It sounds like the LSE has gone downhill. I blame that Colonel Gadaffi.
BTW, damages are not usually awarded in JR cases. There are exceptions, but most cases involve non financial remedies.
The LSE Library doesn't have any evidence about DLT allegedly groping people? How very surprising! It sounds like the LSE has gone downhill. I blame that Colonel Gadaffi.
On the general subject of tabloid hypocrisy, back when Chris Morris spoofed the paedogeddon frenzy of the media in his Brass Eye Mockumentary, the Daily Star ran a pic lambasting Channel 4 for showing the programme, but look what it juxtaposed with its shock horror story. "Check out the waps on this 15 year old girl".
Back to the Daily Mail: Maybe ignore the petition (such petitions seem rather pointless to me), but have a look at some of the info collated by the petition's organiser about the Mail's approach to girls as young as eight. This is the same Daily Mail that is banging on about PIE etc.
http://www.change.org/petitions/daily-mail-mailonl...fHDmBjmhRK&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B1467585350123972%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22change-org%3Arecruit%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%22fHDmBjmhRK%22%5D
http://www.change.org/petitions/daily-mail-mailonl...fHDmBjmhRK&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B1467585350123972%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22change-org%3Arecruit%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%22fHDmBjmhRK%22%5D
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 25th February 14:07
One of the red tops, I cannot recall which one, ran a countdown when Linsey Dawn McKenzie was approaching the age at which she could lawfully be photographed topless. It depicted the (then) still under aged girl wearing a bikini top, with a countdown to when the top would come off.
EDIT: It was the Sunday Sport.
EDIT: It was the Sunday Sport.
The DM scares don't scare you, because you have a brain and you use it. They scare the credulous types who lack critical faculties, and those who have such unshakeable prejudices about allegedly scary stuff that they want to have their views confirmed (in other words: Daily Mail readers).
The Indy has hobby horses. It used to bang on endlessly about the Iraq war. Now it bangs on about the climate, or whatever. It slightly resembles the old Liberal Party, with its very intense campaign groups worrying away at single issues.
I gather that the Express, a bit of a backwater these days, bangs on about Maddie and Princess Di and pretty much nothing else.
The Indy has hobby horses. It used to bang on endlessly about the Iraq war. Now it bangs on about the climate, or whatever. It slightly resembles the old Liberal Party, with its very intense campaign groups worrying away at single issues.
I gather that the Express, a bit of a backwater these days, bangs on about Maddie and Princess Di and pretty much nothing else.
The business model is superb, but it's still a pernicious rag, as too many people fail to apply critical thinking, and they buy into the nonsense that the Mail purveys. Unless he's spoofing, we may even have an actual DM reader-believer on this very thread. Perhaps we should adopt him as the NPE mascot and take it in turns to look after him at weekends, like the primary school hamster.
NicD said:
Countdown said:
Perhaps they haven't posted because its too difficult to argue against the evidence in the link? That was my assumption.
Just read this link....
example 'Back to the entitlements set out above. If we are to compare, as the original email does, a single pensioner, with a single asylum seeker, we see that the asylum seeker is entitled to £36.62 a week. '
This completely ignores the other benefits available, housing, health and what ever else there is.
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I tend to think of my old cars as driven by a tit rather than looking like one, but never mind that. My new Spyder is now my old Spyder, as I have got rid of it, and now have an HPE Volumex instead to satisfy my lust for rust and urge for electrical surge.
PS: apols for mentioning cars in NPE.
I am not quite sure what your point about Leveson is. I thought that the Inquiry rather pulled its punches, but I don't support statutory press regulation, because I trust governments even less than I trust newspapers. I don't think that you can judge the judicial system by reference to Public Inquiries, which are rather odd creatures. They may or may not have Judges in charge of them but they aren't Courts.
Did I mention, BTW, that I am a shameless w
e and got paid by the Daily Mail to challenge one of Leveson's rulings in the High Court? We lost. The Mail is a good quick payer, I must say.
PS: apols for mentioning cars in NPE.
I am not quite sure what your point about Leveson is. I thought that the Inquiry rather pulled its punches, but I don't support statutory press regulation, because I trust governments even less than I trust newspapers. I don't think that you can judge the judicial system by reference to Public Inquiries, which are rather odd creatures. They may or may not have Judges in charge of them but they aren't Courts.
Did I mention, BTW, that I am a shameless w
e and got paid by the Daily Mail to challenge one of Leveson's rulings in the High Court? We lost. The Mail is a good quick payer, I must say. Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 2nd March 21:44
Hoover boots, yeah, total rubbish. Dyson vacboots now, they are the nutz. Meanwhile, I am trying to float my company that makes hover boots.
PS: When I was a kid I was promised that by the year 2014 we would have flying cars, a Moon Base full of tinfoil clad space babes, and killer robo-police. Hey ho, one out of three ain't bad, I suppose.
PS: When I was a kid I was promised that by the year 2014 we would have flying cars, a Moon Base full of tinfoil clad space babes, and killer robo-police. Hey ho, one out of three ain't bad, I suppose.
NWTony said:
Housing bens cap is £26k, so assuming c50% of that as they'll need full housing as a lone parent plus the c£4-5k for asylum benefits (lone parent plus other completely unrelated lone adult).so go for around £18k net = c£25k if you had a job (as no costs for not travelling to work).
Seems like a decent deal
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