1st UK prosecution for Female Genital Mutilation "imminent"

1st UK prosecution for Female Genital Mutilation "imminent"

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ADM06

1,077 posts

172 months

Friday 21st March 2014
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Halb said:
elster said:
1985.

Wow I never knew it was so long ago.

Glad something is being done about it.

Next step male genital mutilation.
I hope so!
I wouldn't hold your breath. Paternal fraud has been illegal for a long time too but nobody has ever been charged.
I guess men should just get used to being second class citizens.

Colonial

13,553 posts

205 months

Saturday 22nd March 2014
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ADM06 said:
I wouldn't hold your breath. Paternal fraud has been illegal for a long time too but nobody has ever been charged.
I guess men should just get used to being second class citizens.
Oh give over.

IroningMan

10,154 posts

246 months

Saturday 22nd March 2014
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Quite. Conflating FGM with circumcision will only make it easier to defend FGM.

Zod

35,295 posts

258 months

Saturday 22nd March 2014
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IroningMan said:
Quite. Conflating FGM with circumcision will only make it easier to defend FGM.
A very good point. That's presumably why the term "female circumcision" was dropped.

steveT350C

6,728 posts

161 months

Saturday 22nd March 2014
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ADM06 said:
Halb said:
elster said:
1985.

Wow I never knew it was so long ago.

Glad something is being done about it.

Next step male genital mutilation.
I hope so!
I wouldn't hold your breath. Paternal fraud has been illegal for a long time too but nobody has ever been charged.
I guess men should just get used to being second class citizens.
ADM06,

You are either a female with issues or a male with a lack of something else.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,356 posts

150 months

Saturday 22nd March 2014
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IroningMan said:
We know that FGM goes on.

Why don't we therefore have legislation that says 'fk the cultural fallout, your child will be checked by a doctor at age xx and you will be prosecuted it they are found to have been mutilated'?

How would this be in any way more intrusive than the 'cough' test?
Sounds good to me. There may be an issue with establishing where it was done. If you check the girl at say aged 12, the family have probably had several holidays back to family Sudan/Egypt etc and could claim it was done whilst over there.

I doubt you could prosecute them for doing something legal in a foreign country just because it's illegal here. In the same way I couldn't be prosecuted in the UK for doing 140 on the autobahn.

But that issue aside, yes, check the girls and bang up the parents.

randlemarcus

13,522 posts

231 months

Saturday 22nd March 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Sounds good to me. There may be an issue with establishing where it was done. If you check the girl at say aged 12, the family have probably had several holidays back to family Sudan/Egypt etc and could claim it was done whilst over there.

I doubt you could prosecute them for doing something legal in a foreign country just because it's illegal here. In the same way I couldn't be prosecuted in the UK for doing 140 on the autobahn.

But that issue aside, yes, check the girls and bang up the parents.
We have legislation stopping sex tourism, so copy and paste that. I seem to recall that one being used for the Glitter person.

ADM06

1,077 posts

172 months

Saturday 22nd March 2014
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steveT350C said:
ADM06,

You are either a female with issues or a male with a lack of something else.
What's your problem? I thought crimes going unpunished was a bad thing or are there other parameters that need fulfilling?

mph1977

12,467 posts

168 months

Saturday 22nd March 2014
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elster said:
1985.

Wow I never knew it was so long ago.

Glad something is being done about it.

Next step male genital mutilation.
<tinfoil hat mode>

the zionist politico-military-industrial complex won't allow that , whereas FGM is done by those dirty muslims

</tinfoil hat mode> ( see hypocrsiy over Halal vs Kosher)

there is no indication for routine male circumcision and it's certainly not the norm in the UK although I understand that it is still considered the norm in the US .

while MGM is not as destructive as FGM it does cause nerve damage and serve no valid clinical or hygiene purpose.

Edited by mph1977 on Sunday 23 March 11:54

steveT350C

6,728 posts

161 months

Saturday 22nd March 2014
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ADM06 said:
steveT350C said:
ADM06,

You are either a female with issues or a male with a lack of something else.
What's your problem? I thought crimes going unpunished was a bad thing or are there other parameters that need fulfilling?
Sorry, dived in on the 'men should get used to being second class citizens', without actually having read much of the thread.

Please ignore, my bad. smile

TwigtheWonderkid

43,356 posts

150 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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randlemarcus said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Sounds good to me. There may be an issue with establishing where it was done. If you check the girl at say aged 12, the family have probably had several holidays back to family Sudan/Egypt etc and could claim it was done whilst over there.

I doubt you could prosecute them for doing something legal in a foreign country just because it's illegal here. In the same way I couldn't be prosecuted in the UK for doing 140 on the autobahn.

But that issue aside, yes, check the girls and bang up the parents.
We have legislation stopping sex tourism, so copy and paste that. I seem to recall that one being used for the Glitter person.
Indeed so, but I thought that only worked because having sex with children was also illegal in Thailand or wherever these depraved monsters go. They haven't got the resources to deal with it effectively so we do.

That's different to visiting a country and doing something there that's completely legal, although illegal here. Can you be prosecuted for it back here? Maybe you can. Be interesting to know.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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You can, if Parliament says so.

Martin4x4

6,506 posts

132 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
That's different to visiting a country and doing something there that's completely legal, although illegal here. Can you be prosecuted for it back here? Maybe you can. Be interesting to know.
It is illegal for a British Citizen or Resident to carry out FGM or cause/help to be carried out and doesn't matter where it is/was carried out.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,356 posts

150 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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Martin4x4 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
That's different to visiting a country and doing something there that's completely legal, although illegal here. Can you be prosecuted for it back here? Maybe you can. Be interesting to know.
It is illegal for a British Citizen or Resident to carry out FGM or cause/help to be carried out and doesn't matter where it is/was carried out.
That's excellent news. You live and learn. So the original idea is sound. Check all girls and prosecute the parents.

mph1977

12,467 posts

168 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Martin4x4 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
That's different to visiting a country and doing something there that's completely legal, although illegal here. Can you be prosecuted for it back here? Maybe you can. Be interesting to know.
It is illegal for a British Citizen or Resident to carry out FGM or cause/help to be carried out and doesn't matter where it is/was carried out.
That's excellent news. You live and learn. So the original idea is sound. Check all girls and prosecute the parents.
just a shame all the PH sociopathslibertarains would rather dismantle the NHS and schools health provisions that might just be able to achieve this in a none coercive manner.

otolith

56,121 posts

204 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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mph1977 said:
just a shame all the PH sociopathslibertarains would rather dismantle the NHS and schools health provisions that might just be able to achieve this in a none coercive manner.
How does that work then? Is this the mechanism by which any health professional who isn't directly suckling from the public tit loses all his morals?

mph1977

12,467 posts

168 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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otolith said:
mph1977 said:
just a shame all the PH sociopathslibertarians would rather dismantle the NHS and schools health provisions that might just be able to achieve this in a none coercive manner.
How does that work then? Is this the mechanism by which any health professional who isn't directly suckling from the public tit loses all his morals?
how do you propose to achieve these examinations in a system without free at the point of equal access healthcare ? a good schools health service would be able to slip this into routine screening and have far better compliance than any other system you could propose short of the PR nightmare of forcibly taking young women of certain ethnicities at gun point for their "state sponsored grope. "

There is no inherent reason why the NHS should be a direct provider of health care but dismantling the free at the point of equal access systme or marginalising it in an US American style system where the primary survery is Wallet Airway Breathin Circulation ( and no EMTALA requirement for a medicla screening exam and initial life saving first aid traetments does NOT provide a safety net of care )...

otolith

56,121 posts

204 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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I don't see anybody proposing stopping healthcare being free at the point of use, not even those who think state funded health care should use private sector providers. The only calls for charging I've come across are from a few GPs who think a small charge for an appointment would deter the time-wasters, but I don't think any of the major parties support that idea (and I doubt much of PH would either, once they realised that only middle class people would have to pay it).

Zod

35,295 posts

258 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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otolith said:
I don't see anybody proposing stopping healthcare being free at the point of use, not even those who think state funded health care should use private sector providers. The only calls for charging I've come across are from a few GPs who think a small charge for an appointment would deter the time-wasters, but I don't think any of the major parties support that idea (and I doubt much of PH would either, once they realised that only middle class people would have to pay it).
The only people who ever mention doing away with free at the point of use healthcare are Labour, who make baseless claims that it's the Tories' wicked plan to do so.

otolith

56,121 posts

204 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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People acting on behalf of those with a vested interest in retaining current arrangements also make it quite often.