1st UK prosecution for Female Genital Mutilation "imminent"

1st UK prosecution for Female Genital Mutilation "imminent"

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jogon

2,971 posts

159 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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Murcielago_Boy said:
This SHOULD be criminal.

But then why isn't baby circumcision also criminal? That's non-consensual male genital mutilation. Or is THAT ok because your imaginary says it's OK and we have to respect the wishes of the adherents of certain imaginary friends...
True but having been circumcised at the age of 3 due to an infection I can report you still can enjoy all the pleasures of sex with the benefit of not been able to rip your banjo. smile FGM is done purely to deny the women of sexual pleasure and can cause complications at child birth. Grim act carried out by a grim religion.

otolith

56,161 posts

205 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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More to do with where people are from than their religion, as I understand it.

jogon

2,971 posts

159 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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otolith said:
More to do with where people are from than their religion, as I understand it.
True but it is predominantly Muslim countries where it originates from. Do you feel the practice culturally enriches us in anyway?

otolith

56,161 posts

205 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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God no, it's barbaric and primitive.

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

205 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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jogon said:
otolith said:
More to do with where people are from than their religion, as I understand it.
True but it is predominantly Muslim countries where it originates from. Do you feel the practice culturally enriches us in anyway?
Probably why the authorities are scared stless of actually bringing a prosecution


jogon

2,971 posts

159 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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McWigglebum4th said:
Probably why the authorities are scared stless of actually bringing a prosecution
Yep has a whiff of Rotherham about it that's for sure.

mph1977

12,467 posts

169 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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Murcielago_Boy said:
This SHOULD be criminal.

But then why isn't baby circumcision also criminal? That's non-consensual male genital mutilation. Or is THAT ok because your imaginary says it's OK and we have to respect the wishes of the adherents of certain imaginary friends...
circumcision while not medically justified is rather less extreme than FGM - a comparative procedure to FGM on a male would be a partial penectomy including most or all of the glans ... a well conduicted circumcision allows full function at the loss of some sensitivity.

Pesty

42,655 posts

257 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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mph1977 said:
Murcielago_Boy said:
This SHOULD be criminal.

But then why isn't baby circumcision also criminal? That's non-consensual male genital mutilation. Or is THAT ok because your imaginary says it's OK and we have to respect the wishes of the adherents of certain imaginary friends...
circumcision while not medically justified is rather less extreme than FGM - a comparative procedure to FGM on a male would be a partial penectomy including most or all of the glans ... a well conduicted circumcision allows full function at the loss of some sensitivity.
Agreed. Only comparable in regards done without permission .

So still wrong IMO. Don't chop bits off people because you think your sky fairy wants it.

carinaman

21,300 posts

173 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b050bhnq

FMG?

I think the BBC can expect a knock on their door with the butt of an AK47.

(from about 14 mins, 30 secs).

Surely they can't get away with poking fun at regional accents?

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

55 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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It appears that the CPS chose a pretty hopeless case for the first prosecution. The jury took only 30 minutes to acquit. Great work, CPS.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31138218

DonnyMac

3,634 posts

204 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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Good result.

On first hearing of the prosecution I was glad they'd caught up with a professional carrying out this horrific procedure, then on actually hearing what he'd done - repairing an adult woman after emergency child birth, as closely back to when he'd found her as he could muster - I was flabbergasted it had made it to court.

He had to look up what he'd done after a midwife/nurse told him it was illegal.

He had to carry out reconstructive surgery - that he hadn't been trained to do - when the woman shouldn't have been anywhere near him as (apparently) there are different planned procedures for woman that have endured FGM which take them out of the normal child birth procedures, emergency or otherwise.

Hopefully these past couple of years won't taint his career.

Incompetent CPS.

Mojooo

12,736 posts

181 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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I suspect it was one of those cases where they were put under a lot of pressure and made the wrong decision.

I suspect the hospital would have found it difficult to support the Dr and if it came public that an NHS Dr had done FGM you can already guess what the outcry would be like.

paranoid airbag

2,679 posts

160 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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^ Yup. No sympathy for the aholes who mutilate people for sky fairy reasons, but I'm not sure I see the point of trying to throw the book at someone who could clearly give medical justifications for their actions.

alfabadass

1,852 posts

200 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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FGM is truely barbaric.

Male circumcision on the other hand is the superior way guys.

Way too much hate, usually from the anti-god squad.

What are you afraid of?

Robb F

4,569 posts

172 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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alfabadass said:
FGM is truely barbaric.

Male circumcision on the other hand is the superior way guys.

Way too much hate, usually from the anti-god squad.

What are you afraid of?
Cutting bits off of people who are too young to make a decision is barbaric.

By all means get circumcised if you want to, but make the choice for yourself, don't force it on other people.

Asterix

24,438 posts

229 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Surely by cutting bits off human babies means they accept their god is obviously a bit rubbish at doing his job by designing them wrong in the first place.

What else is he/she/it wrong about?

TwigtheWonderkid

43,394 posts

151 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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alfabadass said:
FGM is truely barbaric.

Male circumcision on the other hand is the superior way guys.

Way too much hate, usually from the anti-god squad.

What are you afraid of?
I'm an atheist and have no issue at all with male circumcision. FGM however, is a disgraceful practice. Comparing the 2 is like comparing ear piercing to beheading.

ofcorsa

3,527 posts

244 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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alfabadass said:
FGM is truely barbaric.

Male circumcision on the other hand is the superior way guys.

Way too much hate, usually from the anti-god squad.

What are you afraid of?
I was recently done for medical reasons. The thought of young boys going through this without the medical need is barbaric.

Robb F

4,569 posts

172 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
I'm an atheist and have no issue at all with male circumcision. FGM however, is a disgraceful practice. Comparing the 2 is like comparing ear piercing to beheading.
It's not though, as it's not reversible.

Although for what it's worth, seeing kids with their ears pieced makes me cringe as well.

audidoody

8,597 posts

257 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Ozzie Osmond said:
Agree with that too.
P'raps you could pop over to Papua New Guinea and tell these chaps the error of their ways.

http://tinyurl.com/mxtqydr