1st UK prosecution for Female Genital Mutilation "imminent"

[Dromedary66]

Rude-boy said:

Also as you will have read it wasn’t exactly me decision, nature made it a requirement.

Was it phimosis, hypospodias or something else?

I'm sure no-one is objecting to circumcision in those cases where there is no alternative (there are many other less drastic solutions for phimosis but anyway...)

You also make a point about believing circumcision coming about due to desert living and cleanliness. Whilst nobody knows for certain how it started happening, most schools of thought are for the right of passage/ religious angle, tied in with thoughts at the time being that masturbation was sinfull and circumcision does a very good job of making it harder to knock one out. All this cleanliness nonsense is just a pitiful attempt at retrospective justification for what is a barbaric act.

You also compared it to the appendix. Well, leaving aside that the appendix isn't actually a vestigial structure, the foreskin is so far off from being useless as to make your ignorant statement utterly laughable. It contains thousands of nerve endings as well as serving the rather important function of protecting the glans.

Have you / would you circumcise your son if it was not medically necessary?

[anonymous-user]

TameScrapman said:

NISMOgtr said:

Rovinghawk said:

Rude-boy said:

it........... is always stilton free.

Most of us wash regularly.

Just like when everyone washes it & their hands after going to the toilets for a leak.....not.

You don't use a penis beaker?

If I start a thread in General Gassing called "Which car has the best cupholder for your penis beaker", will the Mods have me killed?

[Randy Winkman]

I've been circumcised and my only problem is that it can get a bit sore when I cycle a long way with no pants under my shorts. I'm no expert on FGM but I cant see much comparison. Of course I do appreciate that some men have problems and sometimes the procedure can go wrong. The FGM seems like yet another way for men to dominate women.

[ADM06]

NISMOgtr said:

That will be Christians not Muslims. Get your facts right at least.

Ah Christianity and Islam. Two sides of the same coin, much in the same way a dick and an ahole are two sides of the same body. I wonder whilst they're fighting over something fictional, do they ever wonder how they look to normal people?

Rude-boy said:

Honestly it is your choice, I have no issue with that.

Your second comment though really does show how little you understand about the physical, mental and medical realities of either. As another poster tried to explain to you, the closest circumcision gets to even the most ‘gentle’ FGM is that poor bloke where the operation went very wrong and he lost his glands.

Nobody will ever truly understand both so we should ban both really. A little girls clit is not more important than a little boy's foreskin, and definitely not his glans. The glans basically is a large clit after all.
Am I the only one who realises the likely end for that kid is suicide? I thought it so obvious his life would be hell I wouldn't have to point it out.

Breadvan72 said:

If I start a thread in General Gassing called "Which car has the best cupholder for your penis beaker", will the Mods have me killed?

do it

[ADM06]

Randy Winkman said:

I've been circumcised and my only problem is that it can get a bit sore when I cycle a long way with no pants under my shorts. I'm no expert on FGM but I cant see much comparison. Of course I do appreciate that some men have problems and sometimes the procedure can go wrong. The FGM seems like yet another way for men to dominate women.

Except it is Muslim (and Christian, apparently) women doing it to Muslim girls.

[Silver]

ADM06 said:

Nobody will ever truly understand both so we should ban both really. A little girls clit is not more important than a little boy's foreskin, and definitely not his glans. The glans basically is a large clit after all.
Am I the only one who realises the likely end for that kid is suicide? I thought it so obvious his life would be hell I wouldn't have to point it out.

With all due respect, your vehemence in drawing parallels between male circumcision and FGM seems born out of wanting to refuse to acknowledge that women may possibly have it worse than men in any way. Could it be something to do with this?

ADM06 said:

Personally I think the only reason FGM is seen as worse than MGM is because women matter more in our society.

Why do you think women matter more in our society?

FGM is an abhorrent practice which has been largely ignored, partly because of the circumstances in which it's done (closed family environments, fear, the age of the victims, the victim sometimes being taken out of the country etc) and presumably a lack of willingness for anyone to investigate it.

Given that this thread was about FGM, your insistence on making it about men instead is a little odd. As I said earlier, it's not a competition, you don't need to demean the experiences of FGM victims in order to create a false equality.

[rohrl]

ADM06 said:

Randy Winkman said:

I've been circumcised and my only problem is that it can get a bit sore when I cycle a long way with no pants under my shorts. I'm no expert on FGM but I cant see much comparison. Of course I do appreciate that some men have problems and sometimes the procedure can go wrong. The FGM seems like yet another way for men to dominate women.

Except it is Muslim (and Christian, apparently) women doing it to Muslim girls.

To make them acceptable as brides for men.

There isn't much point in arguing that FGM happens in male-dominated societies. That is just a fact.

[Rude-boy]

Dromedary66 said:

Was it phimosis, hypospodias or something else?

/snip

Honestly no idea without looking that lot up and calling the olds. Whichever is the too tight to pee one.

Dromedary66 said:

You also make a point about believing circumcision coming about due to desert living and cleanliness. Whilst nobody knows for certain how it started happening, most schools of thought are for the right of passage/ religious angle, tied in with thoughts at the time being that masturbation was sinfull and circumcision does a very good job of making it harder to knock one out. All this cleanliness nonsense is just a pitiful attempt at retrospective justification for what is a barbaric act.

As I understand it I think I said. I am not a medical man but I have seen many things that are now seen as ‘religious’ that are actually just common sense (like trying to keep pork in high heat areas without refrigeration) . I can not say that I have read upon the subject in high detail but it is the most realistic sounding of the theories (because I doubt we will ever truly know which came first – the desire to be clean or the religious lot).

As for it being harder to knock one out – behave. Perhaps for a week or three as things heal but seriously?!?! It sure as hell never stopped me and you’ll have to take my word for it when I say that pain is about the last thing I feel (other than from the dripping wax and nipple clamps, natch.)

Dromedary66 said:

You also compared it to the appendix. Well, leaving aside that the appendix isn't actually a vestigial structure, the foreskin is so far off from being useless as to make your ignorant statement utterly laughable. It contains thousands of nerve endings as well as serving the rather important function of protecting the glans.

Yes I can see why you have taken me up on the appendix thing. Still what do these thousands of nerve endings bring to the party for you guys? Have to tell you I sure as hell don’t miss them. Now I am fairly sure that if they added anything major to the party, like a left little finger does, I would feel differently.

Dromedary66 said:

Have you / would you circumcise your son if it was not medically necessary?

I have no kids and none are likely. That said if one arrived next year I would never have my son circumcised unless it was medically necessary or I considered them mature enough to make that choice them self if under 18 and they had repeatedly requested that I grant my consent. If, during a proper adult conversation with them, they asked I would tell them my views (which as you can see are pro) and let them make up their own mind. It is their body, their choice.

[Rude-boy]

Randy Winkman said:

I've been circumcised and my only problem is that it can get a bit sore when I cycle a long way with no pants under my shorts.

If you sling it over your shoulder it should help with that, doesn't get in the way of the crank either

[ADM06]

Silver said:

Why do you think women matter more in our society?

FGM is an abhorrent practice which has been largely ignored, partly because of the circumstances in which it's done (closed family environments, fear, the age of the victims, the victim sometimes being taken out of the country etc) and presumably a lack of willingness for anyone to investigate it.

Given that this thread was about FGM, your insistence on making it about men instead is a little odd. As I said earlier, it's not a competition, you don't need to demean the experiences of FGM victims in order to create a false equality.

They do matter more, the evidence is all around you.

This morning on the news, a little piss and moan about gendered toys harming girls future career prospects. Honestly you couldn't make it up.

Facts are boys are under performing in education and the gap is growing every year. This is a fact indicative of a real problem and it goes ignored.

[Silver]

ADM06 said:

They do matter more, the evidence is all around you.

This morning on the news, a little piss and moan about gendered toys harming girls future career prospects. Honestly you couldn't make it up.

Facts are boys are under performing in education and the gap is growing every year. This is a fact indicative of a real problem and it goes ignored.

Actually, I'd say that people are becoming less accepting of the previous status quo of women being considered less important, not that they're being automatically elevated over men.

[Rude-boy]

ADM06 said:

They do matter more, the evidence is all around you.

ADM06

I also have a bit of an issue with what I see as positive discrimination as I am 100% interested in equality only and believe that the best way to achieve it is not the drag others down or promote the unready, or force boys and girls to only play with unisex toys, but to make a World where it is seen that people all have different skills and that ownership of boobs or a willy has little to do with it in the main.

That said I do find your view on FGM rather odd to say the least. It does the cause no good brother. Solidarity!

Edited by Rude-boy on Friday 7th February 18:09

[anonymous-user]

ADM06 said:

Breadvan72 said:

If I start a thread in General Gassing called "Which car has the best cupholder for your penis beaker", will the Mods have me killed?

do it

I slightly bottled it, but check out page 4 of this thread:-


http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[ADM06]

Breadvan72 said:

I slightly bottled it, but check out page 4 of this thread:-


http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

I think the best place to put your penis beaker whilst driving is between your thighs. It'll be easier to hang in there and it'll give you an extra incentive to drive smoothly.

[Countdown]

How do you guys manage to squeeze it into a beaker?

[anonymous-user]

If you read the cupholder thread you will see that you can't put the beaker between your thighs because the space is occupied by a Czech gymnast.

[Randy Winkman]

ADM06 said:

Facts are boys are under performing in education and the gap is growing every year. This is a fact indicative of a real problem and it goes ignored.

Presumably women end up getting paid more then?

[ADM06]

Randy Winkman said:

Presumably women end up getting paid more then?

They aren't paid less for the same job, and that's for sure. That would be illegal, and if it was that easy to get around there'd be many men out of jobs. We'd have this situation.

Which, y'know, doesn't happen in this way.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

vonuber said:

ADM06 said:

Personally I think the only reason FGM is seen as worse than MGM is because women matter more in our society.

bks. FGM is by far worse.
It's horrific mutilation on usually extremely vulbnerable people.
To compare it to having your foreskin cut off is exceptionally crass. I suggest you read the details of what full FGM is.

There has been a lot of coverage on the guardian lately, I cannot read the articles without getting massively upset and angry. People caught doing it should be banged up for life.

I cannot fathom in my head how a father or mother could let that happen to their daughter. It's so far out of my thought range to be imcomprehensible.

Best post of the thread. People are perfectly entitled to be anti male circumcision, but to compare it to FGM is like comparing ear piercing to beheading.

Personally, I couldn't give a stuff about circumcision. Very few of the millions of men who have had it done without consent when young are remotely bothered about it.

FGM on the other hand is a total disgrace and anyone involved in it in the UK should be prosecuted and locked up for many years.

[Colonial]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Best post of the thread. People are perfectly entitled to be anti male circumcision, but to compare it to FGM is like comparing ear piercing to beheading.

Personally, I couldn't give a stuff about circumcision. Very few of the millions of men who have had it done without consent when young are remotely bothered about it.

FGM on the other hand is a total disgrace and anyone involved in it in the UK should be prosecuted and locked up for many years.

Good post. In an ideal world I would prefer no circumcision on boys but is a much lesser evil than female circumcision.