Hairy Cornflake (DLT) NOT GUILTY
Discussion
spaximus said:
To me this case has been blown out of proportion.
Yet it managed to get through all the legal safeguards we have and a jury who were satisfied beyond reasonable doubt. The CPS aren't in ultimate control. If a case is weak and there's no case to answer a Judge can and will bin it off. spaximus said:
The CPS have seen the pursuit of celebrities as an opportunity to make a name for them selves, this is not about justice.
I disagree and have not seen any evidence of this. What's your evidence of it it being the case? The alternative view is that CPS are giving the a victims' justice after decades of institutionalised covering-up and injustice, and should be congratulated as well as everyone else involved.
La Liga said:
disagree and have not seen any evidence of this. What's your evidence of it it being the case?
The alternative view is that CPS are giving the a victims' justice after decades of institutionalised covering-up and injustice, and should be congratulated as well as everyone else involved.
explain then in this context how not a single police officer has yet to be tired for aiding Savile cover up his sex crimes? The alternative view is that CPS are giving the a victims' justice after decades of institutionalised covering-up and injustice, and should be congratulated as well as everyone else involved.
or not a single official in the Rochdale scandal has been charged with anything?
Rude-boy said:
Good points all.
Only she knows why she didn't take it further than mentioning it to colleagues. In that world though (if I am correct in suspecting who Ms X is and one in which I walk on the very fringes from time to time) word gets around fast and you know that telling a colleague about such an incident is as likely to 'cause issues' as going to the Police about it. Perhaps even more so!
Ultimately though the facts stand and he has been convicted of this crime. It is his problem that he will now be labelled with the same brush as rapists and those guilty of extreme sexual assaults. It is too late for DLT and he must accept his comeuppance. I'm still not entirely comfortable with the size of that brush though.
It really is a very difficult question in my head though. This from a man who still holds the opinion that there should be something in line with a '2 strikes and they're off' rule for rapists and those convicted of serious sexual assaults...
OTOH he's had an extra 20 odd years of his career as cuddly DLT rather than Groper Griffin. I struggle to have any sympathy for him.Only she knows why she didn't take it further than mentioning it to colleagues. In that world though (if I am correct in suspecting who Ms X is and one in which I walk on the very fringes from time to time) word gets around fast and you know that telling a colleague about such an incident is as likely to 'cause issues' as going to the Police about it. Perhaps even more so!
Ultimately though the facts stand and he has been convicted of this crime. It is his problem that he will now be labelled with the same brush as rapists and those guilty of extreme sexual assaults. It is too late for DLT and he must accept his comeuppance. I'm still not entirely comfortable with the size of that brush though.
It really is a very difficult question in my head though. This from a man who still holds the opinion that there should be something in line with a '2 strikes and they're off' rule for rapists and those convicted of serious sexual assaults...
Scuffers said:
explain then in this context how not a single police officer has yet to be tired for aiding Savile cover up his sex crimes?
or not a single official in the Rochdale scandal has been charged with anything?
What does that have anything to do with my points about this? or not a single official in the Rochdale scandal has been charged with anything?
I don't have the requisite knowledge of everyone's individual involvement with either to judge whether or not I think there's criminal culpability.
The IPCC have served several officers with misconduct notices around Saville. I can only infer from that there is insufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of any criminal convictions.
Unless you're privy to the investigation and seen the evidential files where the judgements were made, I do not require telling the decisions were incorrect, as without seeing them you are not in a position to make that assessment.
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La Liga said:
spaximus said:
To me this case has been blown out of proportion.
Yet it managed to get through all the legal safeguards we have and a jury who were satisfied beyond reasonable doubt. The CPS aren't in ultimate control. If a case is weak and there's no case to answer a Judge can and will bin it off. Well the first jury failed to agree with the 12 original charges and again on the second trial they found the original charges not able to stand up to scruitiny and managed to find him 10/2 on a new charge.
spaximus said:
The CPS have seen the pursuit of celebrities as an opportunity to make a name for them selves, this is not about justice.
I disagree and have not seen any evidence of this. What's your evidence of it it being the case? No evidence just my opinion, remember that others have been found not guilty in other cases where their celebrity seemed to be a key factor, three from Coronation street for example.
The alternative view is that CPS are giving the a victims' justice after decades of institutionalised covering-up and injustice, and should be congratulated as well as everyone else involved.
Scuffers said:
La Liga said:
disagree and have not seen any evidence of this. What's your evidence of it it being the case?
The alternative view is that CPS are giving the a victims' justice after decades of institutionalised covering-up and injustice, and should be congratulated as well as everyone else involved.
explain then in this context how not a single police officer has yet to be tired for aiding Savile cover up his sex crimes? The alternative view is that CPS are giving the a victims' justice after decades of institutionalised covering-up and injustice, and should be congratulated as well as everyone else involved.
or not a single official in the Rochdale scandal has been charged with anything?
Maybe a VERY long time.
In the meantime it can only be reassuring that our children are safe from being groped by DLT
http://podbay.fm/show/453503238/e/1344374100?autos...
From 37 minutes on. "Not sure if intentional or not"; yet DLT could be behind bars. Hmmm....
From 37 minutes on. "Not sure if intentional or not"; yet DLT could be behind bars. Hmmm....
Scuffers said:
In a normal world, job blog's would probably have got a police caution or worse case, a visit to the magistrates and a slap on the wrist.
Not a 2+ year multi million pound crown court farce in the full blaze of the media.
I cannot see any way that this is defencable or justice.
Not a 2+ year multi million pound crown court farce in the full blaze of the media.
I cannot see any way that this is defencable or justice.
Scuffers said:
explain then in this context how not a single police officer has yet to be tired for aiding Savile cover up his sex crimes?
or not a single official in the Rochdale scandal has been charged with anything?
In quoting this you realise that you undermine your case. The CPS was heavily criticised for not prosecuting in the Savile case because, rumour had it, he was a celebrity and the damage it would cause him would be significant. or not a single official in the Rochdale scandal has been charged with anything?
Further, what evidence is there of police aiding Savile?
And I thought that an official had been charged, and found guilty, of child molestation at the Rochdale school.
Rude-boy said:
Randy Winkman said:
I might have accidentally touched a woman's (clothed) breast in a tube train or nightclub but I don't think I've done it deliberately. Not to anyone I wasn't very closely acquainted with anyway.
The problem is what do you do if the lady in question believes that you did it intentionally?gpo746 said:
Scuffers said:
La Liga said:
disagree and have not seen any evidence of this. What's your evidence of it it being the case?
The alternative view is that CPS are giving the a victims' justice after decades of institutionalised covering-up and injustice, and should be congratulated as well as everyone else involved.
explain then in this context how not a single police officer has yet to be tired for aiding Savile cover up his sex crimes? The alternative view is that CPS are giving the a victims' justice after decades of institutionalised covering-up and injustice, and should be congratulated as well as everyone else involved.
or not a single official in the Rochdale scandal has been charged with anything?
Maybe a VERY long time.
In the meantime it can only be reassuring that our children are safe from being groped by DLT
Only last week a female victim was arrested when she gave some verbal abuse to one of her physical abusers.
Clearly, chucking petrol over an eleven year old, and forcing her to witness the violent rape of her sister, is insignificant when compared to the crime of using the "P" word.
I suspect that all police officers in Rotheram have been on a "Diversity Awareness" course. The people who arranged this course, and the people who conducted the course, should be sent to prison.
Stigproducts said:
http://podbay.fm/show/453503238/e/1344374100?autos...
From 37 minutes on. "Not sure if intentional or not"; yet DLT could be behind bars. Hmmm....
I have to say she doesnt sound very upset about it in that From 37 minutes on. "Not sure if intentional or not"; yet DLT could be behind bars. Hmmm....
So for many years the whole establishment knows full well that some famous old bloke from a global supergroup was shagging a 13/14 year old and not a single person has had the bottle to upold the law and bring charges, and DLT gets ruined for allegedly giving some woman a bit of a tickle.
THIS WORLD IS PERVERSE.
THIS WORLD IS PERVERSE.
don4l said:
I suspect that all police officers in Rotheram have been on a "Diversity Awareness" course. The people who arranged this course, and the people who conducted the course, should be sent to prison.
Why, do think the 'diversity course' told them to ignore crimes because of someone's race / religion? I don't think it did.It was quite important to start changing police culture to make them more aware of the people they serve after things like Stephen Lawrence and the historic abuse of stop and search, which caused things like the Brixton riots.
The 'not wanting to be labelled racist' (that I believe was more from the LA) is likely to have lots of sources and causes.
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