War with Russia

[Halb]

What would be the realistic rationale for Russia attacking Sweden?

[Finlandia]

Halb said:

What would be the realistic rationale for Russia attacking Sweden?

Is Putin known to be rational?

Attacking or invading Sweden would be very, very unlikely as it is now, but having a base on Gotland would mean a great deal for Russian defence in the Baltic sea.

[Halb]

Finlandia said:

Is Putin known to be rational?

Attacking or invading Sweden would be very, very unlikely as it is now, but having a base on Gotland would mean a great deal for Russian defence in the Baltic sea.

Is Putin known to be irrational>?

http://buchanan.org/blog/putin-irrational-one-6292

[AreOut]

Finlandia said:

Is Putin known to be rational?

well he is the one pulling back his war-hungry comrades from Kremlin so I'd say he is, at least compared to them

[Sylvaforever]

AreOut said:

well he is the one pulling back his war-hungry comrades from Kremlin so I'd say he is, at least compared to them

[Finlandia]

Admittedly he isn't quite as bad as the old school Soviet leaders. Perhaps irrational isn't the right word to describe his actions, once he gets going his actions are very predictable. Bully, threaten and intimidate your small neighbours/ex-Soviet states to act in your favour, if this doesn't work then use some lame excuse to invade them.
The irrational bit is that if Putin didn't act like this, the chances are that these ex-Soviet states wouldn't be looking to join Nato in the first place.

[scherzkeks]

Halb said:

Is Putin known to be irrational>?

http://buchanan.org/blog/putin-irrational-one-6292

Great piece. I am not a huge fan of Buchanan, but he's no neocon.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

A letter by Russians, living in America, to America, a SS-18 or minuteman III will spoil everyone's day.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-03/americas-...

[jmorgan]

Thought I had stepped into a full on woo site there, that serious?

[anonymous-user]

Sounds ominous!
They need another reset button.
Wonder how things will develop if Trump gets in.....

[Rogue86]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

A letter by Russians, living in America, to America, a SS-18 or minuteman III will spoil everyone's day.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-03/americas-...

So we should be worried because a group of Russian-born civilians scare-mongering based on no actual information or evidence say so? Terrifying.

[Sylvaforever]

Rogue86 said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

A letter by Russians, living in America, to America, a SS-18 or minuteman III will spoil everyone's day.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-03/americas-...

So we should be worried because a group of Russian-born civilians scare-mongering based on no actual information or evidence say so? Terrifying.

What was the address of the soviet russian internet troll center?

[Halb]

Some articles I read this morning.
We May Be at a Greater Risk of Nuclear Catastrophe Than During the Cold War
http://original.antiwar.com/hallinan/2016/07/22/ma...

World War III in The Pipeline?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/world-war-iii-in-the-...

What has Russia become for Germany: Rival, partner or challenge?
http://rbth.com/international/2016/06/09/what-has-...

[Mr Whippy]

Halb said:

Some articles I read this morning.
We May Be at a Greater Risk of Nuclear Catastrophe Than During the Cold War
http://original.antiwar.com/hallinan/2016/07/22/ma...

World War III in The Pipeline?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/world-war-iii-in-the-...

What has Russia become for Germany: Rival, partner or challenge?
http://rbth.com/international/2016/06/09/what-has-...

So in the cold war the worry was that the 'West' didn't want to be communist.

What is the reason for needing to protect our way of life today?

From what I can see the West is more communist than Russia is today, though both are operated by a wealthy elite.


So what reason could pontentially competing wealthy elites have for having a WW3 today?

[discusdave]

Russian Federation Ministry of Defense (MOD) could not leave without comment the shocking statement by US State Department spokesman John Kirby. During a briefing, he plainly predicted Russian cities would be attacked by terrorists. According to the US official, if the war in Syria continues, terrorists will start launching attacks on Russian cities, and Russia will send its troops home “in body bags”, and “continue to lose assets and, possibly, aircraft.”

The Russian MOD interpreted such statements as US admission that the “opposition” supposedly waging a “civil war” in Syria is in reality a US-controlled terrorist “internationale.” What is particularly shocking in Kirby’s admission, according to Russian MOD official representative, Major General Igor Konashenkov, that the US direct influence over terrorists is global in scope and extends to Russia, among others....



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-29/us-suspen...

Edited by discusdave on Thursday 29th September 21:19

[ATG]

discusdave said:

The Russian MOD interpreted such statements as US admission that the “opposition” supposedly waging a “civil war” in Syria is in reality a US-controlled terrorist “internationale.”

Dribbling idiots. Still, it plays well at home on state-controlled media if you've spent years convincing a large chunk of the audience that the rest of the world is out to get them. 21st century Russia: kleptocracy and cronyism for the ruling class, and a diet of nationalist paranoia for the masses.

[matsoc]

Rogue86 said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

A letter by Russians, living in America, to America, a SS-18 or minuteman III will spoil everyone's day.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-03/americas-...

So we should be worried because a group of Russian-born civilians scare-mongering based on no actual information or evidence say so? Terrifying.

I read Zerohedge to have a laugh, sometimes, it is a source of good fiction. And the comments there are even funnier...I really never read something even remotely true on Zerohedge.

[matsoc]

ATG said:

Dribbling idiots. Still, it plays well at home on state-controlled media if you've spent years convincing a large chunk of the audience that the rest of the world is out to get them. 21st century Russia: kleptocracy and cronyism for the ruling class, and a diet of nationalist paranoia for the masses.

True, according to my experience sadly most of Russia today is still a poor undeveloped country, with low standard of living and very outdated industrial technology. For their own good I hope they would get of rid of Putin as soon as possible, he is ridicolous. They lost the cold war many years ago, they should move on and get closer to Europe.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

matsoc said:

ATG said:

Dribbling idiots. Still, it plays well at home on state-controlled media if you've spent years convincing a large chunk of the audience that the rest of the world is out to get them. 21st century Russia: kleptocracy and cronyism for the ruling class, and a diet of nationalist paranoia for the masses.

True, according to my experience sadly most of Russia today is still a poor undeveloped country, with low standard of living and very outdated industrial technology. For their own good I hope they would get of rid of Putin as soon as possible, he is ridicolous. They lost the cold war many years ago, they should move on and get closer to Europe.

Like the "closer to Europe" attempts in 1940 or 1914 or 1853 or 1812 ? Perhaps the Russians are not so keen on that, and spilled the blood of 35 million people to not have that happen, in one war alone. Do you think this time is any different? Barring having vast stock of insta-glow in the dark party poppers to spread around.

Putin maybe a barsteward, but he is the Russian Barsteward and that is the way they like it. The West (NATO and Co.) has forgotten how to deal with a peer opponent in the last 30 years, both militarily and geopolitically, having mostly played in the middle East. Ukraine was the first serious foray into the Russian backyard, excluding the Georgian sideshow, since the fall of the USSR and Putin's coronation.

Russia is a peer opponent and it is unlikely Putin will go away in the short term. What you should be asking is, what comes after Putin? As he may just be the moderate. Imagine a Russian George Dubya Bush or Cheney or Rumsfeld or Rove etc. I shudder at the thought.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 30th September 21:14

[matsoc]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Like the "closer to Europe" attempts in 1940 or 1914 or 1853 or 1812 ? Perhaps the Russians are not so keen on that, and spilled the blood of 35 million people to not have that happen, in one war alone. Do you think this time is any different? Barring having vast stock of insta-glow in the dark party poppers to spread around.

Putin maybe a barsteward, but he is the Russian Barsteward and that is the way they like it. The West (NATO and Co.) has forgotten how to deal with a peer opponent in the last 30 years, both militarily and geopolitically, having mostly played in the middle East. Ukraine was the first serious foray into the Russian backyard, excluding the Georgian sideshow, since the fall of the USSR and Putin's coronation.

Russia is a peer opponent and it is unlikely Putin will go away in the short term. What you should be asking is, what comes after Putin? As he may just be the moderate. Imagine a Russian George Dubya Bush or Cheney or Rumsfeld or Rove etc. I shudder at the thought.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 30th September 21:14

I know history but time has passed, Europe today is not Germany of the 30s, thank god a war in the middle of Europe is no longer a possibility.
And the world is changed. Russia should join NATO to counterbalance China.