War with Russia

[Mermaid]

roachcoach said:

Then when they get done with these cities, the question is - where next?

Partition

[JohnnyJones]

And after that?

[egor110]

skyrover said:

egor110 said:

I remember a country called Afghanistan , they had no army and took on and sent packing Russia and the USA, underfunded, undermanned 'armies' do not fight by the well funded armies rules.

There's that small issue of the Geneva Convention which tends not to go for such things an anti-personnel mines, IED's, human shields and suicide bombers

That said... yes I agree, an irregular war is probably the only way they stand a chance

Geneva what?

If the west aren't going to help, then either Ukraine fight and fight dirty or they may as well just welcome the Russians in with little as little fuss as possible.

There must be tartars with experience in ' fighting the dirty fight'

[Mermaid]

JohnnyJones said:

And after that?

Fight the "other guys" happily ever after. Syria will probably get partitioned, Libya could have - so many examples.

[skyrover]

Ukraine's acting president says he has decided to launch 'full-scale anti-terrorist operation' in eastern Ukraine with participation of armed forces - @Reuters

http://www.breakingnews.com/item/2014/04/13/ukrain...

[dudleybloke]

the interpretermag.com site is down today.
news blackout?

[Ali G]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27011605

Supports.

[raftom]

They've posted in twitter that it's due to problems with their hoster http://status.mediatemple.net/

Sad because their coverage was good. Radio free Europe is a good alternative though:
http://www.rferl.org/contentlive/live-blog-ukraine...

[raftom]

Octoposse said:

skyrover said:

Not the same situation at all... have a read

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/...

Of course not - the Guardian says so in a comment piece! (It's the Guardian that's been running with the most virulent Russo-phobic articles for the past nine months).

Since you have problems reading and refuting any of the points in that article here it is in an easy to digest format:

[hidetheelephants]

Just to put another perspective on that; Morocco annexed Western Sahara in the 1980s, and despite UN this, that and the other, they're still occupying it and a large number of the indigenous population are living in exile in Algerian refugee camps. But they're dirt poor africans with no assets worth looting, and are much less adept at attracting popular support than the palestinians(despite having at least as good a legal and moral case) so no-one cares.

[Halb]

egor110 said:

I remember a country called Afghanistan , they had no army and took on and sent packing Russia and the USA, underfunded, undermanned 'armies' do not fight by the well funded armies rules.

IN the Afghanies case, their nation is a big desert with no infrastructure similar to a Western nations.
I think the Ukraine would be a totally different scenario. Especially with the home knowledge already owned by Russia, and the loyalties of some locals.

[Mermaid]

If the US had been negative to Ukraine, and been best buddies with Putin, this episode would have looked different i.e. Russia has a duty to look after its people, the Kiev lot are nazi's, they overthrew their leader etc

[skyrover]

70 Russian troops blocked on a peninsula near Berdyansk. They supposedly arrived by ship

http://vesti.ua/pridneprove/47279-pravyj-sektor-so...

[V8 Fettler]

Ukraine needs to be regarded as a sacrificial buffer zone between Russia and the West. Do NATO forces have a meaningful presence in Poland?

[skyrover]

V8 Fettler said:

Ukraine needs to be regarded as a sacrificial buffer zone between Russia and the West. Do NATO forces have a meaningful presence in Poland?

No... that will soon change though.

Might have to hurry up though if they want to catch Poland

[hidetheelephants]

V8 Fettler said:

Ukraine needs to be regarded as a sacrificial buffer zone between Russia and the West. Do NATO forces have a meaningful presence in Poland?

Yes, their own army represents NATO quite well; it's about half the size of Russia's; they don't really need much help beyond someone to hold their coat and squeeze the squeezy drink bottle between rounds. I dare we could give them some air support though.

[Esseesse]

I cannot believe the lack of coverage of this on the BBC and other news channels.

[jmorgan]

Esseesse said:

I cannot believe the lack of coverage of this on the BBC and other news channels.

It's the weekend, they are all off.

[Mermaid]

jmorgan said:

Esseesse said:

I cannot believe the lack of coverage of this on the BBC and other news channels.

It's the weekend, they are all off.

& they have not been told what & how to report it

[hidetheelephants]

Mermaid said:

jmorgan said:

Esseesse said:

I cannot believe the lack of coverage of this on the BBC and other news channels.

It's the weekend, they are all off.

& they have not been told what & how to report it

Seems to be plenty about it on the BBC; it's a bit partial in presentation and the analysis is pisspoor, but it's definitely getting screen time.