War with Russia

[TheJimi]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/20...

Starting to look like this guy called it right after all...

[skyrover]

TheJimi said:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/20...

Starting to look like this guy called it right after all...

Yes this was posted earlier and met with derision/snorting from the usual suspects

here's another more recent article

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/20...

In other news, Poland to re-open investigation into the 2010 Polish Air Force Tu-154 crash that killed 18 members of the Polish Parliament.



Russia apparently refuses to return the wreckage for investigation

Edited by skyrover on Wednesday 16th April 12:48

[skyrover]

Crimea style photo's starting to appear in Donbas?



International Federation of Journalists claims journalists are being attacked in Donbass



http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114912,15...

[scherzkeks]

skyrover said:

Yes this was posted earlier and met with derision/snorting from the usual suspects

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It still is, don't worry.

[Oakey]

skyrover said:

Crimea style photo's starting to appear in Donbas?



International Federation of Journalists claims journalists are being attacked in Donbass



http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114912,15...

The rebels appear to have a tank?

[skyrover]

Oakey said:

The rebels appear to have a tank?

Defected Ukrainian APC apparently

NATO sees no significant change in the size or positioning of Russian forces close to the Ukrainian border, alliance's top military commander says - @Reuters

A spectacular picture of a Ukrainian military jet swooshing low over Kramatorsk, Eastern Ukraine -

MaCain said:

McCain: West’s weak response to Russia could lead to bad things

The weak response of western countries to Russia’s actions in Ukraine could lead to ‘even worse things’, as it is implied by U.S. senator John McCain.

When asked if the current situation can serve as an indication that the western world is not prepared for sacrifices and actual economic sanctions to stop Russia’s aggression in Ukraine, McCain said he has been rather concerned over how weak the response from the west has been so far. He added that it may be due to the fact that the response is not considered to be especially strong against Vladimir Putin...

http://bnn-news.com/mccain-wests-weak-response-rus...

and two cover images for "The Economist" this week:

[raftom]

The separatists just captured some APCs and did what any PH would have done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bpabV3S4uA

[Lost soul]

raftom said:

The separatists just captured some APCs and did what any PH would have done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bpabV3S4uA

That is quite rapid did you see the way it took off

[roachcoach]

One wonders why the government in Kiev doesn't pull the election forward and have done with it...

[Munter]

roachcoach said:

One wonders why the government in Kiev doesn't pull the election forward and have done with it...

I'm not an expert. But my guess is that they need a lot of votes in their parliament for that to be legal. And they can't agree/their parliament doesn't really exist at the moment.

[DMN]

Because if they do anything, the Russians will call it a sham.

The Ukrainian Government need to hold Legal and Internationally Observed (a friend of mine will be there doing just this) elections on the 25th of May.

Russia needs to do everything it can to prevent this.

[V8 Fettler]

raftom said:

The separatists just captured some APCs and did what any PH would have done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bpabV3S4uA

Lots of clag, must be that supermarket fuel they use.

[V8 Fettler]

DMN said:

Because if they do anything, the Russians will call it a sham.

The Ukrainian Government need to hold Legal and Internationally Observed (a friend of mine will be there doing just this) elections on the 25th of May.

Russia needs to do everything it can to prevent this.

Why would anyone in the West want a Ukraine that is potentially hostile to Russia? Independent but subservient would be fine.

Edited by V8 Fettler on Wednesday 16th April 19:45

[jaybarts]

raftom said:

The separatists just captured some APCs and did what any PH would have done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bpabV3S4uA

Can't believe how quick they are, and doing that with out throwing a track is pretty impressive!

[109er]

Depending on the make, some APC's can hit 63mph, 101.38kph.

[DMN]

V8 Fettler said:

Why would anyone in the West want a Ukraine that is potentially hostile to Russia? Independent but subservient would be fine.

Edited by V8 Fettler on Wednesday 16th April 19:45

Why should the Ukrainians do anything to suit either lot? Let them have their elections.

[V8 Fettler]

DMN said:

Why should the Ukrainians do anything to suit either lot? Let them have their elections.

Because there are more important issues at stake here than a free, independent Ukraine.

[skyrover]

The European Parliament is working on a resolution to be voted tomorrow. It will include 4 important points:

]1) The events in Ukraine are caused by Russian 'aggression by rates' with the use of special forces.
2) The European Parliament calls on the EU to immediately introduce economic sanctions of the third grade against Russia. This means that the West should block Russia like it blocked Iran. A weapon embargo should be introduced and the sanctions of the second grade reinforced.
3) Ukraine has the right to defend itself according to art. 51 of the UN charter
4) Sending a mission of the Common Security and Defence Policy, like the EU did in Georgia

http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114912,15...

Ukrainian general attorney says that Yanukovich will be arrested when he enters the country. The PM of Crimea confirms his visit and asks for protection.

http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114912,15...

92 persons have been arrested due to separatist actions. 214 cases have started.

House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Ed Royce, R-Calif., Ranking Member Eliot Engel, D-NY, to lead congressional delegation on Ukraine visit - @NBCNews

Official: US believes Putin's goal is a federalist Ukraine in which Moscow has veto power over Ukraine's decisions - @Reuters

[raftom]

They are having fun in the air too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZokhRnJ3-EQ

[vxr8mate]

Am I missing something here:

Putin warns the West against aiding the civilians in Syria saying its nothing to do with anyone but the Syrian government.

Putin wants to send his troops in to Ukraine due to oppression by the government against civilians.

Talk about double standards, but then I suppose Putin knows we we in the West have no appetite for real confrontation provided he picks his targets wisely.