War with Russia
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Finlandia said:
Swedish marine searching for Russian submarine in the archipelago of Stockholm.
http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/english-version-...
Certainly some interesting stuff happening, I guess you hear more on your side of the country. I have been keeping track of this "research" ship that has left Russia and is sailing towards the area, http://www.marinetraffic.com/no/ais/home/centerx:2...http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/english-version-...
It seems the dutch navy are shadowing it also!
Will be interesting to see if it just sails on, on or does something?
Interesting times indeed, it will be especially interesting to see if they catch the submarine (or what it is) and what happens after that. Apparently they are chasing a man dressed in black, a probable diver, on the islands as well. Then there is the Russian tanker that has been just outside Swedish waters for a few weeks, according to new information.
AreOut said:
if it was indeed russian submarine it's now probably far from swedish waters, and if it had technical problems one would assume they would send SOS message so we would know what's it all about
Apparently there was a distress call in Russian on Thursday, Friday the submarine was spotted and the operation to find it was launched.AreOut said:
if it was indeed russian submarine it's now probably far from swedish waters, and if it had technical problems one would assume they would send SOS message so we would know what's it all about
If it is a sub it would have to be one of the Kilo class boats the Russians have in the baltic. In shallow water these would only normally move at around 3-4 knots. If they were being hunted then they may move even slower or be pinned in one location due to a sonar search.Depends where they went in the Stockholm archipelago but they could be 30 odd miles from the open sea.
The principle question would be why would they be there? There is nothing military/naval around Stockholm that would be sensible to use a sub to spy on.
http://www.vice.com/en_se/read/why-is-russian-mili...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29680960
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29680960
Edited by dudleybloke on Sunday 19th October 23:49
Ok then, conversation between Cameron and Putin:
Cameron: 'unless you do what we say we're going to invoke severe sanctions against you and are not going to buy any more gas and oil from you unless you relent'.
Putin: 'OK, that's fine, have a nice day'.
Some months later, possibly in winter:
Cameron: 'we've reconsidered our options now its cold and our nuclear power stations are old and broken and our wind farms are a waste of space (thought they look nice and cost a fortune to maintain) so we would love to buy more oil and gas from you so we don't freeze to death'.
Putin: 'sorry but I've sold your allocation to the Chinese, have a nice day'.
Be honest, we are no threat to the likes of Russia or China, or nearly any other country in the world, we had our day and blew it. As for the USA, it's not going to directly intervene in Russia because they only invade far weaker countries with oil to plunder, plus it's technically broke and is collapsing from within as did Rome many years ago. The only reason it hasn't defaulted is due to the massive amount of propping up of the dollar done by the Chinese government due to the high level of debt owned to China. Once they get bored, and pull the plug, the US economy will go down the toilet: The US national debt stands at over 17 trillion dollars and growing by the minute, check out: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Cameron: 'unless you do what we say we're going to invoke severe sanctions against you and are not going to buy any more gas and oil from you unless you relent'.
Putin: 'OK, that's fine, have a nice day'.
Some months later, possibly in winter:
Cameron: 'we've reconsidered our options now its cold and our nuclear power stations are old and broken and our wind farms are a waste of space (thought they look nice and cost a fortune to maintain) so we would love to buy more oil and gas from you so we don't freeze to death'.
Putin: 'sorry but I've sold your allocation to the Chinese, have a nice day'.
Be honest, we are no threat to the likes of Russia or China, or nearly any other country in the world, we had our day and blew it. As for the USA, it's not going to directly intervene in Russia because they only invade far weaker countries with oil to plunder, plus it's technically broke and is collapsing from within as did Rome many years ago. The only reason it hasn't defaulted is due to the massive amount of propping up of the dollar done by the Chinese government due to the high level of debt owned to China. Once they get bored, and pull the plug, the US economy will go down the toilet: The US national debt stands at over 17 trillion dollars and growing by the minute, check out: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Talksteer said:
If it is a sub it would have to be one of the Kilo class boats the Russians have in the baltic. In shallow water these would only normally move at around 3-4 knots. If they were being hunted then they may move even slower or be pinned in one location due to a sonar search.
Depends where they went in the Stockholm archipelago but they could be 30 odd miles from the open sea.
The principle question would be why would they be there? There is nothing military/naval around Stockholm that would be sensible to use a sub to spy on.
The main theory here is that the sub was here to take a look at the Swedish navy vessels which are considered quite a bit more advanced than Russian stuff.Depends where they went in the Stockholm archipelago but they could be 30 odd miles from the open sea.
The principle question would be why would they be there? There is nothing military/naval around Stockholm that would be sensible to use a sub to spy on.
Stevanos said:
Certainly some interesting stuff happening, I guess you hear more on your side of the country. I have been keeping track of this "research" ship that has left Russia and is sailing towards the area, http://www.marinetraffic.com/no/ais/home/centerx:2...
It seems the dutch navy are shadowing it also!
Will be interesting to see if it just sails on, on or does something?
OK, so first the Dutch Navy's shadow goes missing, and now the Russki research ship Logachev's trace has gone dead. No doubt David Icke's site will have the answer...It seems the dutch navy are shadowing it also!
Will be interesting to see if it just sails on, on or does something?
Talksteer said:
If it is a sub it would have to be one of the Kilo class boats the Russians have in the baltic. In shallow water these would only normally move at around 3-4 knots. If they were being hunted then they may move even slower or be pinned in one location due to a sonar search.
Depends where they went in the Stockholm archipelago but they could be 30 odd miles from the open sea.
The principle question would be why would they be there? There is nothing military/naval around Stockholm that would be sensible to use a sub to spy on.
Reports its a mini sub used for inserting special forces teams, Triton-NN. Russians trying to blame the dutch Depends where they went in the Stockholm archipelago but they could be 30 odd miles from the open sea.
The principle question would be why would they be there? There is nothing military/naval around Stockholm that would be sensible to use a sub to spy on.
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/ubaatmysteriet-i...rich888 said:
Be honest, we are no threat to the likes of Russia or China, or nearly any other country in the world . . . .
Quite so.What strikes me as bizarre about our current policies is that they are no threat to us either (Russia since the late 1980s, Libya under Gaddafi, say, Syria under Assad, Iraq . . . even - arguably - IS), yet we just love Emergency Cabinet Meetings and "doing something".
Bit of positive engagement would be more helpful.
Anyway, good luck with the phantom submarine. I'm off to Moscow next week - I'll take the littl'un to see the bits of Gary Powers' U2 whilst I'm there . . .
KemP said:
Talksteer said:
If it is a sub it would have to be one of the Kilo class boats the Russians have in the baltic. In shallow water these would only normally move at around 3-4 knots. If they were being hunted then they may move even slower or be pinned in one location due to a sonar search.
Depends where they went in the Stockholm archipelago but they could be 30 odd miles from the open sea.
The principle question would be why would they be there? There is nothing military/naval around Stockholm that would be sensible to use a sub to spy on.
Reports its a mini sub used for inserting special forces teams, Triton-NN. Russians trying to blame the dutch Depends where they went in the Stockholm archipelago but they could be 30 odd miles from the open sea.
The principle question would be why would they be there? There is nothing military/naval around Stockholm that would be sensible to use a sub to spy on.
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/ubaatmysteriet-i...More likely would be trying to dig up communications cables or place sensors. Like our wireless stone in a Moscow Park.
Magog said:
citizensm1th said:
with tin foil hat firmly in place
a major fire at a uk power station at this time of year?
And CHAPS crashed... time to start stockpiling tinfoil.a major fire at a uk power station at this time of year?
Extra-thick tinfoil.
eharding said:
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