War with Russia
Discussion
AreOut said:
Stevanos said:
These Russian dicks are now expanding their operations with their junk heap bombers http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-to-launch-bo...
Wait until there is an accident near US soil
I think US bombers are flying much closer to russian airspace, there are some even stationed in Estonia and you can check on the map how far from Russia that is Wait until there is an accident near US soil
AreOut said:
I think US bombers are flying much closer to russian airspace, there are some even stationed in Estonia and you can check on the map how far from Russia that is
The point is that one of these junk heaps will crash and the Ruskies are just waiting for someone to provoke them as their fragile economy crumbles. Are the US flying B52 sorties on the edge of Russian airspace with transponders switched off? hidetheelephants said:
AreOut said:
Stevanos said:
These Russian dicks are now expanding their operations with their junk heap bombers http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-to-launch-bo...
Wait until there is an accident near US soil
I think US bombers are flying much closer to russian airspace, there are some even stationed in Estonia and you can check on the map how far from Russia that is Wait until there is an accident near US soil
More seriously, 'our' press does get very excited when, say, a Russian jet flies near a US ship in the Black Sea. One of them is near home . .
egor110 said:
Why is it far right , they are ukranian's fighting for there country which russia has invaded, we support the actions of the french resistance yet they were doing the same as the ukranians defending there country that's been invaded.
There was clearly a substantial neo-Nazi element to the coup that overthrew the elected government of Viktor Yanukovych. A government whose election owed much to support in the East of the country and Crimea - an electorate whose dis-enfrachisement was apparently an objective of EU and US policy.The first images that came out of the East were unarmed villagers forming human barricades and pushing back Ukrainian armour with their bare hands - it was Kiev (with presumably the nod from the US) that ratcheted up the levels of violence. They go with airstrikes, Moscow slips in air defence systems, etc.
The fear that neo-Nazi element engendered in those more pro-Russian areas was palpable. I'm not claiming that Moscow's motives are altruistic, but Russia is the country that has ended up on the right side of the principle of self determination of peoples.
Octoposse said:
here was clearly a substantial neo-Nazi element to the coup that overthrew the elected government of Viktor Yanukovych. A government whose election owed much to support in the East of the country and Crimea - an electorate whose dis-enfrachisement was apparently an objective of EU and US policy.
The first images that came out of the East were unarmed villagers forming human barricades and pushing back Ukrainian armour with their bare hands - it was Kiev (with presumably the nod from the US) that ratcheted up the levels of violence. They go with airstrikes, Moscow slips in air defence systems, etc.
The fear that neo-Nazi element engendered in those more pro-Russian areas was palpable. I'm not claiming that Moscow's motives are altruistic, but Russia is the country that has ended up on the right side of the principle of self determination of peoples.
I remember laughing at that too; it was notable that a) the Ukrainian army weren't up for flattening their fellow citizens like the Chinese did, nor shooting them out of hand b) news media were filming it and not being harassed/disappeared c) the naïveté of the Ukrainian squaddies was such they didn't just skirmish into whatever one horse town it was crosscountry rather than going down a road easily blocked by babushkas in headscarves.The first images that came out of the East were unarmed villagers forming human barricades and pushing back Ukrainian armour with their bare hands - it was Kiev (with presumably the nod from the US) that ratcheted up the levels of violence. They go with airstrikes, Moscow slips in air defence systems, etc.
The fear that neo-Nazi element engendered in those more pro-Russian areas was palpable. I'm not claiming that Moscow's motives are altruistic, but Russia is the country that has ended up on the right side of the principle of self determination of peoples.
And now russia are heading to Australia , i'm sure there just helping the aboriginal's claim back there homeland.
http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-warships-at...
http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-warships-at...
egor110 said:
And now russia are heading to Australia , i'm sure there just helping the aboriginal's claim back there homeland.
http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-warships-at...
Come and have a go if you thing you are hard enough?http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-warships-at...
How far is it to the disputed waters China wants as its own?
marksx said:
It's not exactly even-handed:Russian fighters 'intercepting' surveillance aircraft in international airspace = threat to peace.
BUT
British frigate 'investigating' Russian ship in international waters = prudently keeping an eye on things.
Russian aircraft 'within 50 miles' - fifty MILES!!! - of US coast = warmongering brinkmanship.
BUT
US / Canadian warships bobbing about in the Black Sea = perfect right to be there . .
Where on earth is this constant stoking of tensions with a country with whom we have no substantive strategic conflict of interest coming from? What's the motivation? Regime change in Moscow . . . worked well everywhere else . .
jmorgan said:
egor110 said:
And now russia are heading to Australia , i'm sure there just helping the aboriginal's claim back there homeland.
http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-warships-at...
Come and have a go if you thing you are hard enough?http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-warships-at...
How far is it to the disputed waters China wants as its own?
hidetheelephants said:
jmorgan said:
egor110 said:
And now russia are heading to Australia , i'm sure there just helping the aboriginal's claim back there homeland.
http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-warships-at...
Come and have a go if you thing you are hard enough?http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-warships-at...
How far is it to the disputed waters China wants as its own?
jmorgan said:
New friends are they not? Russia and China?
They are. The USA sees China as a threat, one way or another, and their policy is to surpress China and Chinese ambitions, hence an American military shift in focus to the Asia-Pacific region. This has angered China so I think both Russia and China are getting a bit bolshy in return. If America wants to throw its weight around to get what it wants, to maintain some kind of status quo, to constrain their economic rivals, to spread their political ideaology, then I think they need to understand if their rivals also decide to do the same.
skyrover said:
I'm sure putin is s
tting himself, he must be worried what nato will do surely?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff