War with Russia
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So what's life like in rebel controlled areas? Vice news finds out and interviews 2 of the leaders (work safe video)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3c7_1415981501
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3c7_1415981501
Bluebarge said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
You are so right, how dare a country invade another on a false premise with no enthic connections whatsoever, kill hundreds of thousands of civilians, decimate vital infrastructure, destabilise an entire region for decades, impose a comedic version of democracy, leave the country so weakened and divided that it can be invaded by a terrorist force...
Sorry are we talking about Iraq right ?
Even if you are right (and you are not) how does that justify invading Ukraine? And what do "ethnic connections" have to do with anything?Sorry are we talking about Iraq right ?
For the record - Iraq represents a massive failure for US policy, but let us not forget:
1. Saddam was a brutal dictator
2. He invaded Kuwait (so much for your regional stability)
3. he gassed the Kurds
4. he gassed the Iranians
5. Iraq did have a nuclear and biological weapons programme even if it had been dismantled by the time of the 2nd Gulf War
6. Iraq frequently obstructed UN inspection programmes
7. It's not the US that has killed hundreds of thousands of civilians - that is the insurgency
8. ditto for the infrastructure.
What did the US do that was wrong?
1. declared war on the basis of shaky intelligence whilst the UN inspection programme was finally making progress
2. failed to make any credible plans for running the country after the war ended
3. failed to include the Sunnis in any post-war settlement
4. failed to set up a credible post-war government.
So, an almighty clusterf**k, but your attempt to equate Ukraine with Iraq is just ludicrous - Ukraine is a democracy; it has never used WMD (it gave those up in exchange for Russia guaranteeing its sovereignty
), it has not and does not conduct any campaigns of aggression against parts of its own population, it abides by international law. So, the justification for invading it and waging war on its territory is??? 
Russia gives France a final deadline to hand over the mistral warship
http://uk.businessinsider.com/russia-just-gave-fra...
http://uk.businessinsider.com/russia-just-gave-fra...
skyrover said:
Russia gives France a final deadline to hand over the mistral warship
http://uk.businessinsider.com/russia-just-gave-fra...
' French side had until the end of the month to hand over the ship or the whole deal could be in jeopardy'http://uk.businessinsider.com/russia-just-gave-fra...
in a ideal world we'd say f
k it we need a new warship and buy it off them, pity it's not a aircraft carrier.AreOut said:
Bluebarge said:
Ukraine is a democracy;
lol so if it is, why you don't accuse all those western countries including UK that supported illegal overthrow of president Yanukovich?!He left his post and the Rada (including members of his own party) voted to dismiss him.
In other news...
Russia plans "alternative version of Wikipedia"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/14/us-russi...
reuters said:
(Reuters) - Russia plans to create its own "Wikipedia" to ensure its citizens have access to more "detailed and reliable" information about their country, the presidential library said on Friday.
Citing Western threats, the Kremlin has asserted more control over the Internet this year in what critics call moves to censor the web, and has introduced more pro-Kremlin content similar to closely controlled state media such as television.
Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia assembled and written by Internet users around the world, has pages dedicated to nearly every region or major city within Russia's 11 time zones, but the Kremlin library said this was not good enough.
"Analysis of this resource showed that it is not capable of providing information about the region and life of the country in a detailed or sufficient way," the state news agency RIA quoted a statement from the presidential library as saying.
"The creation of an alternative Wikipedia has begun." It was not known whether the project might affect Russians' access to the existing Wikipedia in any way.
President Vladimir Putin has branded the Internet a "CIA special project", and the Kremlin has said it must protect its online realm from threats from the West, as ties between the Cold War-era foes have hit a new bottom over the Ukraine crisis.
Since August, bloggers in Russia with more than 3,000 followers must register with the Moscow's mass media regulatory agency and conform to rules applied to larger media outlets.
And since February, state authorities have been able to block websites without a court order. The webpages of two leading Kremlin critics were among the first to be barred.
The presidential library statement said that 50,000 books and archive documents from 27 libraries around Russia had already been handed over for the process of establishing the "alternative Wikipedia".
Citing Western threats, the Kremlin has asserted more control over the Internet this year in what critics call moves to censor the web, and has introduced more pro-Kremlin content similar to closely controlled state media such as television.
Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia assembled and written by Internet users around the world, has pages dedicated to nearly every region or major city within Russia's 11 time zones, but the Kremlin library said this was not good enough.
"Analysis of this resource showed that it is not capable of providing information about the region and life of the country in a detailed or sufficient way," the state news agency RIA quoted a statement from the presidential library as saying.
"The creation of an alternative Wikipedia has begun." It was not known whether the project might affect Russians' access to the existing Wikipedia in any way.
President Vladimir Putin has branded the Internet a "CIA special project", and the Kremlin has said it must protect its online realm from threats from the West, as ties between the Cold War-era foes have hit a new bottom over the Ukraine crisis.
Since August, bloggers in Russia with more than 3,000 followers must register with the Moscow's mass media regulatory agency and conform to rules applied to larger media outlets.
And since February, state authorities have been able to block websites without a court order. The webpages of two leading Kremlin critics were among the first to be barred.
The presidential library statement said that 50,000 books and archive documents from 27 libraries around Russia had already been handed over for the process of establishing the "alternative Wikipedia".
Bluebarge said:
For the record - Iraq represents a massive failure for US policy, but let us not forget:
1. Saddam was a brutal dictator
2. He invaded Kuwait (so much for your regional stability)
3. he gassed the Kurds
4. he gassed the Iranians
5. Iraq did have a nuclear and biological weapons programme even if it had been dismantled by the time of the 2nd Gulf War
6. Iraq frequently obstructed UN inspection programmes
7. It's not the US that has killed hundreds of thousands of civilians - that is the insurgency
8. ditto for the infrastructure.
1. A brutal dictator, and US ally. 1. Saddam was a brutal dictator
2. He invaded Kuwait (so much for your regional stability)
3. he gassed the Kurds
4. he gassed the Iranians
5. Iraq did have a nuclear and biological weapons programme even if it had been dismantled by the time of the 2nd Gulf War
6. Iraq frequently obstructed UN inspection programmes
7. It's not the US that has killed hundreds of thousands of civilians - that is the insurgency
8. ditto for the infrastructure.
2. Look up "angle drilling" in context and tell me what you've learned.
3. With gas provided by and the blessing of Uncle Sam http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/s...
4. With gas provided by and the blessing of Uncle Sam
5. Prove it
6. Google Hans Blix and associated findings
7.
8. http://www.globalresearch.ca/crimes-against-humani...
scherzkeks said:
1. A brutal dictator, and US ally.
2. Look up "angle drilling" in context and tell me what you've learned.
3. With gas provided by and the blessing of Uncle Sam http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/s...
4. With gas provided by and the blessing of Uncle Sam
5. Prove it
6. Google Hans Blix and associated findings
7.
8. http://www.globalresearch.ca/crimes-against-humani...
similarly to AreOut, what are your actually trying to say? Do you have a point to make?2. Look up "angle drilling" in context and tell me what you've learned.
3. With gas provided by and the blessing of Uncle Sam http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/s...
4. With gas provided by and the blessing of Uncle Sam
5. Prove it
6. Google Hans Blix and associated findings
7.
8. http://www.globalresearch.ca/crimes-against-humani...
AreOut said:
lol have you seen what their parliament looked like during voting? with armed people all around telling everyone how to vote and you call that legal lol
Quite so - and even then they couldn't get the necessary majority required by the constitution.skyrover said:
He left his post . .
As an alternative to having his severed head on a post, yes, strictly speaking you are correct . . Bluebarge said:
For the record - Iraq represents a massive failure for US policy, but let us not forget:
1. Saddam was a brutal dictator
2. He invaded Kuwait (so much for your regional stability)
3. he gassed the Kurds
4. he gassed the Iranians
5. Iraq did have a nuclear and biological weapons programme even if it had been dismantled by the time of the 2nd Gulf War
6. Iraq frequently obstructed UN inspection programmes
7. It's not the US that has killed hundreds of thousands of civilians - that is the insurgency
8. ditto for the infrastructure.
What did the US do that was wrong?
1. declared war on the basis of shaky intelligence whilst the UN inspection programme was finally making progress
2. failed to make any credible plans for running the country after the war ended
3. failed to include the Sunnis in any post-war settlement
4. failed to set up a credible post-war government.
So, an almighty clusterf**k, but your attempt to equate Ukraine with Iraq is just ludicrous - Ukraine is a democracy; it has never used WMD (it gave those up in exchange for Russia guaranteeing its sovereignty ), it has not and does not conduct any campaigns of aggression against parts of its own population, it abides by international law. So, the justification for invading it and waging war on its territory is???
Not fashionable among many on the anti gulf war band-wagon, but true.1. Saddam was a brutal dictator
2. He invaded Kuwait (so much for your regional stability)
3. he gassed the Kurds
4. he gassed the Iranians
5. Iraq did have a nuclear and biological weapons programme even if it had been dismantled by the time of the 2nd Gulf War
6. Iraq frequently obstructed UN inspection programmes
7. It's not the US that has killed hundreds of thousands of civilians - that is the insurgency
8. ditto for the infrastructure.
What did the US do that was wrong?
1. declared war on the basis of shaky intelligence whilst the UN inspection programme was finally making progress
2. failed to make any credible plans for running the country after the war ended
3. failed to include the Sunnis in any post-war settlement
4. failed to set up a credible post-war government.
So, an almighty clusterf**k, but your attempt to equate Ukraine with Iraq is just ludicrous - Ukraine is a democracy; it has never used WMD (it gave those up in exchange for Russia guaranteeing its sovereignty
), it has not and does not conduct any campaigns of aggression against parts of its own population, it abides by international law. So, the justification for invading it and waging war on its territory is??? You left out the bit where the US disbanded the Iraqi army, instantly turning thousands into explosive and weapon trained insurgents.
Cobnapint said:
Not fashionable among many on the anti gulf war band-wagon, but true.
You left out the bit where the US disbanded the Iraqi army, instantly turning thousands into explosive and weapon trained insurgents.
That decision was rather perplexing. Is it that the Americans were actually that monumentally retarded or was it that instability was the aim?You left out the bit where the US disbanded the Iraqi army, instantly turning thousands into explosive and weapon trained insurgents.
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