War with Russia

[superkartracer]

What do wounded animals do..

[allergictocheese]

Die.

[MrCarPark]

It's not getting much coverage but Chechnya is getting a bit rowdy again:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/r...

[superkartracer]

allergictocheese said:

Die.

Yeah... in a hail of nuclear terror

[Ayahuasca]

I see Putin is blaming the west for trying to wreck its economy.

Iirc the 70s book 'the third world war' written by a British Army general about how he saw the conflict developing, the trigger for the Soviets attacking was the failure of their grain harvest....

[skyrover]

Ayahuasca said:

I see Putin is blaming the west for trying to wreck its economy.

Ironically most of the damaging sanctions were imposed by Russia itself.

The Western sanctions target a few elites at the top.

[raftom]

skyrover said:

What do Putin, the price of oil, and the ruble have in common?

They'll all hit 63 next year.

... and coincidently very near to average Russian male life expectancy. I bet right now some disgruntled oligarchs are selecting the radioactive isotope to put in his tea.

[skyrover]

Russian Orthodox priest "casts out demons" from the Russian Central Bank server, responsible for maintaining the Ruble

[AreOut]

wonder how much he charges for the "job" and if there is a moneyback guarantee?

[Mastodon2]

skyrover said:

Russian Orthodox priest "casts out demons" from the Russian Central Bank server, responsible for maintaining the Ruble

So backwards I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

[rich888]

If the US and their Russian counterparts love their children, then watch and learn before it's too late:

And oh so true:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHylQRVN2Qs

[AreOut]

"Russia's annexation of Crimea was an illegal act. One comparable example comes to mind: U.S. control of Guantanamo Bay in southeastern Cuba. Guantanamo was wrested from Cuba at gunpoint in 1903 and not relinquished despite Cuba's demands ever since it attained independence in 1959. To be sure, Russia has a far stronger case. Even apart from strong internal support for the annexation, Crimea is historically Russian; it has Russia's only warm-water port, the home of Russia's fleet; and has enormous strategic significance. The United States has no claim at all to Guantanamo, other than its monopoly of force."
― Noam Chomsky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE9cJ_8ur3A

so, they aren't alone in doing that and I can't understand people accusing only one side of doing such things

[QuantumTokoloshi]

AreOut said:

"Russia's annexation of Crimea was an illegal act. One comparable example comes to mind: U.S. control of Guantanamo Bay in southeastern Cuba. Guantanamo was wrested from Cuba at gunpoint in 1903 and not relinquished despite Cuba's demands ever since it attained independence in 1959. To be sure, Russia has a far stronger case. Even apart from strong internal support for the annexation, Crimea is historically Russian; it has Russia's only warm-water port, the home of Russia's fleet; and has enormous strategic significance. The United States has no claim at all to Guantanamo, other than its monopoly of force."
? Noam Chomsky?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE9cJ_8ur3A

so, they aren't alone in doing that and I can't understand people accusing only one side of doing such things

America is freedom and democracy, think of how free the people are in Guantanamo Bay.... Oh..

[Transmitter Man]

AreOut said:

Transmitter Man said:

Completely inaccurate.

Excluding what Pukin was propagating on his completely controlled channels (The first amendment 'freedom of the press' has never existed in Russia, you diod note that in the days leading up to Yanukovic fleeing with much of the state coffers more than a few of his own party members wanted him impeached.

You also I'm sure are aware there were only six members of svoboda the right wing part in the makeup of the new, democratically elected government.

trying to pin this on the west or the US is complete utter balderdash.

Backing the Ukrainian people in wanting closer links to Europe and there ex-president of Russian decent saying $uck you top the people is I'm afraid completely kosher.
and legitimate.

No wonder the UK banned RT due to it's openly unfair and biased reporting.

My god, wake up man.

Phil

lol and western media isn't biased? I have watched with my own eyes how they spun during 1999 bombing of Yugoslavia, now that required some stomach.

I am already awake and I follow all sides to get the better picture, you follow only one.

I follow several, all with various high levels of freedom of the media and do not follow one that has complete state control over it's people - that is the Russian media.

Phil

[Transmitter Man]

AreOut said:

"Russia's annexation of Crimea was an illegal act. One comparable example comes to mind: U.S. control of Guantanamo Bay in southeastern Cuba. Guantanamo was wrested from Cuba at gunpoint in 1903 and not relinquished despite Cuba's demands ever since it attained independence in 1959. To be sure, Russia has a far stronger case. Even apart from strong internal support for the annexation, Crimea is historically Russian; it has Russia's only warm-water port, the home of Russia's fleet; and has enormous strategic significance. The United States has no claim at all to Guantanamo, other than its monopoly of force."
? Noam Chomsky?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE9cJ_8ur3A

so, they aren't alone in doing that and I can't understand people accusing only one side of doing such things

Crimea - there may be support but taking intimidation and Russia's propaganda machine into consideration is it really as strong as is made out? I think it will diminish if further thugs/soldiers are found with Russian passports.

Soldiers on vacation, it's laughable? What, they took their battalions T72 on holiday with them and the kids.

Phil

Tartous, Syria is a Russian warm water port - but for how much longer?

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Twickenham

Transmitter Man said:

AreOut said:

Transmitter Man said:

Completely inaccurate.

Excluding what Pukin was propagating on his completely controlled channels (The first amendment 'freedom of the press' has never existed in Russia, you diod note that in the days leading up to Yanukovic fleeing with much of the state coffers more than a few of his own party members wanted him impeached.

You also I'm sure are aware there were only six members of svoboda the right wing part in the makeup of the new, democratically elected government.

trying to pin this on the west or the US is complete utter balderdash.

Backing the Ukrainian people in wanting closer links to Europe and there ex-president of Russian decent saying $uck you top the people is I'm afraid completely kosher.
and legitimate.

No wonder the UK banned RT due to it's openly unfair and biased reporting.

My god, wake up man.

Phil

lol and western media isn't biased? I have watched with my own eyes how they spun during 1999 bombing of Yugoslavia, now that required some stomach.

I am already awake and I follow all sides to get the better picture, you follow only one.

I follow several, all with various high levels of freedom of the media and do not follow one that has complete state control over it's people - that is the Russian media.

Phil

I disagree, RT is biased, but they are also very keen, thanks to the bias, to publish news that will not be published in the "free" press. News that the Free press will not or cannot publish. Edward Snowden's revelations are an excellent example.

You do know what a D notice is?

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Twickenham

Transmitter Man said:

AreOut said:

"Russia's annexation of Crimea was an illegal act. One comparable example comes to mind: U.S. control of Guantanamo Bay in southeastern Cuba. Guantanamo was wrested from Cuba at gunpoint in 1903 and not relinquished despite Cuba's demands ever since it attained independence in 1959. To be sure, Russia has a far stronger case. Even apart from strong internal support for the annexation, Crimea is historically Russian; it has Russia's only warm-water port, the home of Russia's fleet; and has enormous strategic significance. The United States has no claim at all to Guantanamo, other than its monopoly of force."
? Noam Chomsky?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE9cJ_8ur3A

so, they aren't alone in doing that and I can't understand people accusing only one side of doing such things

Crimea - there may be support but taking intimidation and Russia's propaganda machine into consideration is it really as strong as is made out? I think it will diminish if further thugs/soldiers are found with Russian passports.

Soldiers on vacation, it's laughable? What, they took their battalions T72 on holiday with them and the kids.

Phil

Tartous, Syria is a Russian warm water port - but for how much longer?

Any more laughable than the WMD in Iraq or the gulf of Tonkin incident or the justification for invading Grenada or Panama? Or the "military advisors" in Libya, El Salvador etc. Russia is merely following the established practice.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Saturday 6th December 09:29

[Transmitter Man]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Twickenham

Transmitter Man said:

AreOut said:

"Russia's annexation of Crimea was an illegal act. One comparable example comes to mind: U.S. control of Guantanamo Bay in southeastern Cuba. Guantanamo was wrested from Cuba at gunpoint in 1903 and not relinquished despite Cuba's demands ever since it attained independence in 1959. To be sure, Russia has a far stronger case. Even apart from strong internal support for the annexation, Crimea is historically Russian; it has Russia's only warm-water port, the home of Russia's fleet; and has enormous strategic significance. The United States has no claim at all to Guantanamo, other than its monopoly of force."
? Noam Chomsky?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE9cJ_8ur3A

so, they aren't alone in doing that and I can't understand people accusing only one side of doing such things

Crimea - there may be support but taking intimidation and Russia's propaganda machine into consideration is it really as strong as is made out? I think it will diminish if further thugs/soldiers are found with Russian passports.

Soldiers on vacation, it's laughable? What, they took their battalions T72 on holiday with them and the kids.

Phil

Tartous, Syria is a Russian warm water port - but for how much longer?

Any more laughable than the WMD in Iraq or the gulf of Tonkin incident or the justification for invading Grenada or Panama? Or the "military advisors" in Libya, El Salvador etc. Russia is merely following the established practice.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Saturday 6th December 09:29

Why would it then come down so hard on the media that does not toe the line?

I'm afraid I don't think it's quite as simple as what you make out.

The west now knows that the truth will eventually get out while in the east there's no chance therefore they can get away with murder, if you get what I mean!

So, saying one thing in the media or at the UN means zilch, nadda, nothing if spoken by Putin or his mouthpiece.

IE incursion into Ukraine - nothing to do with me, they're just on vacation.

Phil

[AreOut]

Transmitter Man said:

Crimea - there may be support but taking intimidation and Russia's propaganda machine into consideration is it really as strong as is made out? I think it will diminish if further thugs/soldiers are found with Russian passports.

Soldiers on vacation, it's laughable? What, they took their battalions T72 on holiday with them and the kids.

Phil

Tartous, Syria is a Russian warm water port - but for how much longer?

and how much support there is in Cuba for Americans to hold Guantanamo?! You can't accuse one side without accusing the other one, that is the point. It's not Russia that started the practice, they are just following it.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Twickenham

Transmitter Man said:

The west now knows that the truth will eventually get out while in the east there's no chance therefore they can get away with murder, if you get what I mean!

Phil

Eventually come out? There are documents and stories about the second world war which have not been released yet, and will not be for another 25 years.

You hold one set of liars to one standard and another set to a different standard.

Find out what happened to the "free press" journalist who broke the Iran contra scandal, or the journalists who were trying to break the Snowden revelations or the non-embedded journalists who tries to break the story about atrocities in Iraq or the "independent" press who provided The propaganda mouth piece for the invasion of Iraq?

How many more examples do you need?

The esteem you hold the western main stream media is misplaced.it is all about the spin.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Saturday 6th December 13:40