War with Russia
Discussion
skyrover said:
Mr Whippy said:
skyrover said:
Mr Whippy said:
I just want a world where we don't blow each other up, or screw each other over... the majority of innocent people just wanting to get on and live their lives, so a few individuals can extend their lot in life.
Don't we all?Not going to happen though, at least until fusion power solves all of our energy problems... maybe
It's more likely we'll see fusion power benefit the majority if we live in a world where there are many independent powerful nations, rather than just one.
Dave
There has never been such a long period in history where two major powers have failed to go to war.
toppstuff said:
But how are you less "free" than you were, say, 5 years ago? 10 years ago?
Aside from a fuzzy sense that internet eavesdropping or phone hacking , for example, " Is a Bad Thing", in what way are you freedoms restricted?
I am interested to know because in every aspect of my life, I can't think of anything that I feel impinges on my sense of freedom, of self-determination.
I'm interested to know precisely why you feel so differently? What do you want to do, that somehow you feel you are being restricted from doing?
Off the top of my head...Aside from a fuzzy sense that internet eavesdropping or phone hacking , for example, " Is a Bad Thing", in what way are you freedoms restricted?
I am interested to know because in every aspect of my life, I can't think of anything that I feel impinges on my sense of freedom, of self-determination.
I'm interested to know precisely why you feel so differently? What do you want to do, that somehow you feel you are being restricted from doing?
Reducing speed limits (50 the new 60, 20 the new 30). We can no longer buy high powered vacuum cleaners. I can't go through an airport without delays because everything needs to be scanned and searched. Are window cleaners allowed up ladders any more? Increasingly we can only buy poorer performing water based paints. The only light bulbs we can now buy flicker and have to warm up. I have no idea when the rule came in, but I'm not allowed to buy a gas oven and connect up the bayonet fitting myself. I wanted to buy some strong peroxide the other day (whiten old plastics) but found that we're only allowed to purchase 12% without a license these days. On websites I build I'm supposed to include a pointless cookies message. On websites I visit I have to click on a pointless cookies message. If you want to help your kids with a house deposit you have to allow lenders/solicitors to investigate your own finances.
Yep lots of finances intrusions these days, under the banner of terrorism or serious crime prevention.
Expect 2015 to be full of bad news and the governments taking away freedoms to 'help' us all.
I'd bet that by the end of 2015 cash will be seen as something dirty. You have cash in your wallet! Are you a drug dealer or rapist pimp paedo!? Or worse, about to hand it to Osama Bin Laden round the corner so he can buy a load of weapons from a US weapons manufacturer
It doesn't feel like you'll be safer yet, but by the end of 2015 you'll be begging to have your right to cash removed to save you from the evil terrorists, Russians, or paedophiles!
Dave
Expect 2015 to be full of bad news and the governments taking away freedoms to 'help' us all.
I'd bet that by the end of 2015 cash will be seen as something dirty. You have cash in your wallet! Are you a drug dealer or rapist pimp paedo!? Or worse, about to hand it to Osama Bin Laden round the corner so he can buy a load of weapons from a US weapons manufacturer
It doesn't feel like you'll be safer yet, but by the end of 2015 you'll be begging to have your right to cash removed to save you from the evil terrorists, Russians, or paedophiles!
Dave
[quote=Mr Whippy]It's quite a long article, can you specifically point out where they say the munitions were too heavy to be anything but air-dropped?
"Nonetheless, you would still need a helicopter to drop half-ton bombs from such a high elevation, and Syria's rebels do not have them at their disposal."
Now can you please list your sources for the statement you made previously.
This is the second time I've asked you?
Substantiate please.
Phil
"Nonetheless, you would still need a helicopter to drop half-ton bombs from such a high elevation, and Syria's rebels do not have them at their disposal."
Now can you please list your sources for the statement you made previously.
This is the second time I've asked you?
Substantiate please.
Phil
Mr Whippy said:
Yep lots of finances intrusions these days, under the banner of terrorism or serious crime prevention.
Expect 2015 to be full of bad news and the governments taking away freedoms to 'help' us all.
I'd bet that by the end of 2015 cash will be seen as something dirty. You have cash in your wallet! Are you a drug dealer or rapist pimp paedo!? Or worse, about to hand it to Osama Bin Laden round the corner so he can buy a load of weapons from a US weapons manufacturer
It doesn't feel like you'll be safer yet, but by the end of 2015 you'll be begging to have your right to cash removed to save you from the evil terrorists, Russians, or paedophiles!
Dave
Can relate to that post - if you don;t have cash, you have a problem and you are owned.Expect 2015 to be full of bad news and the governments taking away freedoms to 'help' us all.
I'd bet that by the end of 2015 cash will be seen as something dirty. You have cash in your wallet! Are you a drug dealer or rapist pimp paedo!? Or worse, about to hand it to Osama Bin Laden round the corner so he can buy a load of weapons from a US weapons manufacturer
It doesn't feel like you'll be safer yet, but by the end of 2015 you'll be begging to have your right to cash removed to save you from the evil terrorists, Russians, or paedophiles!
Dave
If you have cash, they still own you. Slavery 2015 model.
Transmitter Man said:
Mr Whippy,
I'd be interested to know your references for Assad and the SAA not having gassed their own citizens?
huh? This is the same like religious people asking atheists "show us the evidence God does not exist" I'd be interested to know your references for Assad and the SAA not having gassed their own citizens?
They have the military advantage and even if they were to use it they would use it first to eliminate armed opponents not civilians ffs they have more than enough enemies and don't need to make new ones.
Mr Whippy said:
skyrover said:
Mr Whippy said:
I just want a world where we don't blow each other up, or screw each other over... the majority of innocent people just wanting to get on and live their lives, so a few individuals can extend their lot in life.
Don't we all?Not going to happen though, at least until fusion power solves all of our energy problems... maybe
It's more likely we'll see fusion power benefit the majority if we live in a world where there are many independent powerful nations, rather than just one.
Dave
Mojocvh said:
superkartracer said:
What a nightmare for you.
No dude, it will be the nightmare you wake up to one day...........Oh I have another one I think, I recall that someone mentioned in the diy section that you used to be able to buy very effective weedkiller. Now you can only get glysophate.
AreOut said:
huh? This is the same like religious people asking atheists "show us the evidence God does not exist"
They have the military advantage and even if they were to use it they would use it first to eliminate armed opponents not civilians ffs they have more than enough enemies and don't need to make new ones.
So why is it so wrong to request reference sources after making such statements?They have the military advantage and even if they were to use it they would use it first to eliminate armed opponents not civilians ffs they have more than enough enemies and don't need to make new ones.
Phil
Edited by Transmitter Man on Saturday 3rd January 04:54
because the burden of proof rests on the prosecution not on him
I don't believe even his crazy brother used chemicals to intentionally harm civilians, against armed rebels probably but rebels did it too when they had opportunity, especially because they knew they wouldn't get condemned from the West since they are eh partners.
I don't believe even his crazy brother used chemicals to intentionally harm civilians, against armed rebels probably but rebels did it too when they had opportunity, especially because they knew they wouldn't get condemned from the West since they are eh partners.
Esseesse said:
toppstuff said:
But how are you less "free" than you were, say, 5 years ago? 10 years ago?
Aside from a fuzzy sense that internet eavesdropping or phone hacking , for example, " Is a Bad Thing", in what way are you freedoms restricted?
I am interested to know because in every aspect of my life, I can't think of anything that I feel impinges on my sense of freedom, of self-determination.
I'm interested to know precisely why you feel so differently? What do you want to do, that somehow you feel you are being restricted from doing?
Off the top of my head...Aside from a fuzzy sense that internet eavesdropping or phone hacking , for example, " Is a Bad Thing", in what way are you freedoms restricted?
I am interested to know because in every aspect of my life, I can't think of anything that I feel impinges on my sense of freedom, of self-determination.
I'm interested to know precisely why you feel so differently? What do you want to do, that somehow you feel you are being restricted from doing?
Reducing speed limits (50 the new 60, 20 the new 30). We can no longer buy high powered vacuum cleaners. I can't go through an airport without delays because everything needs to be scanned and searched. Are window cleaners allowed up ladders any more? Increasingly we can only buy poorer performing water based paints. The only light bulbs we can now buy flicker and have to warm up. I have no idea when the rule came in, but I'm not allowed to buy a gas oven and connect up the bayonet fitting myself. I wanted to buy some strong peroxide the other day (whiten old plastics) but found that we're only allowed to purchase 12% without a license these days. On websites I build I'm supposed to include a pointless cookies message. On websites I visit I have to click on a pointless cookies message. If you want to help your kids with a house deposit you have to allow lenders/solicitors to investigate your own finances.
First world problems methinks.
In a thread about Russia, where there is no free press, an autocrat in charge for 15 years, where a small elite have stolen anything of value, where opposition politicians are locked up and where organised crime and corruption are endemic in every part of life, we find ourselves worrying that the west is seeing an erosion of civil liberties, and the best we can muster as an example is that we are worried that we can't buy old fashioned light bulbs.....
Really?!!!
toppstuff said:
Oh. My. God..
First world problems methinks.
In a thread about Russia, where there is no free press, an autocrat in charge for 15 years, where a small elite have stolen anything of value, where opposition politicians are locked up and where organised crime and corruption are endemic in every part of life, we find ourselves worrying that the west is seeing an erosion of civil liberties, and the best we can muster as an example is that we are worried that we can't buy old fashioned light bulbs.....
Really?!!!
You asked for some examples of restrictions, I gave some...First world problems methinks.
In a thread about Russia, where there is no free press, an autocrat in charge for 15 years, where a small elite have stolen anything of value, where opposition politicians are locked up and where organised crime and corruption are endemic in every part of life, we find ourselves worrying that the west is seeing an erosion of civil liberties, and the best we can muster as an example is that we are worried that we can't buy old fashioned light bulbs.....
Really?!!!
Now free press... let me see...
Edit: I wonder what came of this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inq....
Of course if they did a good job of ensuring our press complies with European values then it wouldn't be obvious, although many people may find themselves questioning an apparent MSM bias in favour of the EU...
Edited by Esseesse on Saturday 3rd January 17:35
Esseesse said:
You asked for some examples of restrictions, I gave some...
Now free press... let me see...
I think people are trying to tell you that laws/regulations passed to increase the longevity of yours and other peoples lives arent exactly the Orwellian picture of restricted society that you're trying to paint...Now free press... let me see...
Rogue86 said:
Esseesse said:
You asked for some examples of restrictions, I gave some...
Now free press... let me see...
I think people are trying to tell you that laws/regulations passed to increase the longevity of yours and other peoples lives arent exactly the Orwellian picture of restricted society that you're trying to paint...Now free press... let me see...
Esseesse said:
toppstuff said:
But how are you less "free" than you were, say, 5 years ago? 10 years ago?
Aside from a fuzzy sense that internet eavesdropping or phone hacking , for example, " Is a Bad Thing", in what way are you freedoms restricted?
I am interested to know because in every aspect of my life, I can't think of anything that I feel impinges on my sense of freedom, of self-determination.
I'm interested to know precisely why you feel so differently? What do you want to do, that somehow you feel you are being restricted from doing?
Off the top of my head...Aside from a fuzzy sense that internet eavesdropping or phone hacking , for example, " Is a Bad Thing", in what way are you freedoms restricted?
I am interested to know because in every aspect of my life, I can't think of anything that I feel impinges on my sense of freedom, of self-determination.
I'm interested to know precisely why you feel so differently? What do you want to do, that somehow you feel you are being restricted from doing?
Reducing speed limits (50 the new 60, 20 the new 30). We can no longer buy high powered vacuum cleaners. I can't go through an airport without delays because everything needs to be scanned and searched. Are window cleaners allowed up ladders any more? Increasingly we can only buy poorer performing water based paints. The only light bulbs we can now buy flicker and have to warm up. I have no idea when the rule came in, but I'm not allowed to buy a gas oven and connect up the bayonet fitting myself. I wanted to buy some strong peroxide the other day (whiten old plastics) but found that we're only allowed to purchase 12% without a license these days. On websites I build I'm supposed to include a pointless cookies message. On websites I visit I have to click on a pointless cookies message. If you want to help your kids with a house deposit you have to allow lenders/solicitors to investigate your own finances.
Nothing like neo nazis to help overthrow your government.
http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/the-us-says-th...
A new Oliver Stone documentary about the Ukrainian coup d'etat.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-02/oliver-st...
http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/the-us-says-th...
A new Oliver Stone documentary about the Ukrainian coup d'etat.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-02/oliver-st...
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