War with Russia

[AreOut]

don't worry russian pilots love their lifes too so if it was dangerous flying like that - they simply wouldn't fly

[Negative Creep]

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Did-Russian-bomber...

They're already over British soil! (Well, Cornwall anyway)

[FourWheelDrift]

Negative Creep said:

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Did-Russian-bomber...

They're already over British soil! (Well, Cornwall anyway)

She said "They were flying really low through the St Mawgan valley and around Cornwall."

Wasn't Bears then dear. Probably something from the Classic Air Force Museum fleet out of Newquay.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

hidetheelephants said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

The Chinese have complained about the US ELINT aircraft doing the same thing, they had a mid-air collision a few years back with a fighter sent to intercept.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 20th February 17:44

Even by your standards this is a stretch; China isn't a notable foe of NATO and the south china sea isn't really their precinct, but carry on. A P3 being 'bumped' by a PLAAF fast jet isn't quite the same as the potential for a Bear to find itself wearing some poor bugger in a Piper as a bonnet mascot or colliding with a BN Islander flying to or from the Channel Islands.

My point about selective morality is beautifully made here. The USA (the main NATO member) does the same thing to China, including a collision resulting in deaths with lots of previous form for this kind of behaviour but that is acceptable.

Russia does it to us and it becomes provocation by a mad man Looking for war. Who are the real warmongering mad men then?

Can you see the hypocrisy?

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 20th February 20:12

[Mojocvh]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

hidetheelephants said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

The Chinese have complained about the US ELINT aircraft doing the same thing, they had a mid-air collision a few years back with a fighter sent to intercept.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 20th February 17:44

Even by your standards this is a stretch; China isn't a notable foe of NATO and the south china sea isn't really their precinct, but carry on. A P3 being 'bumped' by a PLAAF fast jet isn't quite the same as the potential for a Bear to find itself wearing some poor bugger in a Piper as a bonnet mascot or colliding with a BN Islander flying to or from the Channel Islands.

My point about selective morality is beautifully made here. The USA (the main NATO member) does the same thing to China, including a collision resulting in deaths but that is acceptable.

Russia does it to us and it becomes provocation by a mad man Looking for war.

Can you see the hypocrisy?

YES, all commies must die. Idiot.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Mojocvh said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

hidetheelephants said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

The Chinese have complained about the US ELINT aircraft doing the same thing, they had a mid-air collision a few years back with a fighter sent to intercept.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 20th February 17:44

Even by your standards this is a stretch; China isn't a notable foe of NATO and the south china sea isn't really their precinct, but carry on. A P3 being 'bumped' by a PLAAF fast jet isn't quite the same as the potential for a Bear to find itself wearing some poor bugger in a Piper as a bonnet mascot or colliding with a BN Islander flying to or from the Channel Islands.

My point about selective morality is beautifully made here. The USA (the main NATO member) does the same thing to China, including a collision resulting in deaths but that is acceptable.

Russia does it to us and it becomes provocation by a mad man Looking for war.

Can you see the hypocrisy?

YES, all commies must die. Idiot.

Insightful and brief.

Back to school on Monday?

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 20th February 20:29

[Mojocvh]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Mojocvh said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

hidetheelephants said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

The Chinese have complained about the US ELINT aircraft doing the same thing, they had a mid-air collision a few years back with a fighter sent to intercept.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 20th February 17:44

Even by your standards this is a stretch; China isn't a notable foe of NATO and the south china sea isn't really their precinct, but carry on. A P3 being 'bumped' by a PLAAF fast jet isn't quite the same as the potential for a Bear to find itself wearing some poor bugger in a Piper as a bonnet mascot or colliding with a BN Islander flying to or from the Channel Islands.

My point about selective morality is beautifully made here. The USA (the main NATO member) does the same thing to China, including a collision resulting in deaths but that is acceptable.

Russia does it to us and it becomes provocation by a mad man Looking for war.

Can you see the hypocrisy?

YES, all commies must die. Idiot.

Insightful and brief.

Back to school on Monday?

sigh. what one are "u" btw?

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Mojocvh said:

sigh. what one are "u" btw?

You need pictures to make a point, is the spelling too hard?

I thought Obama was communist, Fox news says so.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 20th February 20:28

[Mojocvh]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Mojocvh said:

sigh. what one are "u" btw?

You need pictures to make a point, is the spelling too hard?

I thought Obama was communist, Fox news says so.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 20th February 20:28

You need pictures to make a point

think about it, .

ETA

Play nicely now....

Edited by Big Al. on Saturday 21st February 10:39

[Firebox7]

Chest Rockwell said:

Typical Progressive thinking, like Karl Marx himself.

At no point did you mention 'freedom' and/or 'freedom to chose'. Why is that? Why do we need to move forward in a mutually beneficial way when we're all different? Or do we all move forward in a mutually beneficial way which happens to be beneficial to your line of thinking?

Lives are being lost because, believe it or not, that is how things are decided. Someone wants something, someone doesn't want that someone to have it. They talk, it goes nowhere. They protest, it goes nowhere. They fight = decision made. Every land border you see is mostly the direct result of people dying.

Progressives live in fantasy land.

Moving forward and being different have to be mutually exclusive?

Loss of life is the only resolution to these differences?

You keep dragging those knuckles fella, it saves sweeping the cave.

[hidetheelephants]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

My point about selective morality is beautifully made here. The USA (the main NATO member) does the same thing to China, including a collision resulting in deaths with lots of previous form for this kind of behaviour but that is acceptable.

Russia does it to us and it becomes provocation by a mad man Looking for war. Who are the real warmongering mad men then?

Can you see the hypocrisy?

The Chinese pilot died when the PLAAF aircraft rammed the P3 as far as I can remember, so it was self inflicted.

Edit to add; the wiki says the collision occured on the 3rd flyby by the Chinese fighter, so the pilot signed a cheque he couldn't cash. The americans perhaps should not have been there, but I don't accept they are to blame for the death of a gungho fighter pilot with more aggression than ability.

As for hypocrisy, that's in your mind and perhaps elements of the media; I don't think he is spoiling for war, he's just doing what he's spent the last decade doing in his own special way. The difference is that now there's a war going on on the EU's doorstep, an airliner has been shot down, the baltic NATO members are being subjected to maskirovka and now Vlad is playing chicken with civilian air traffic.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

hidetheelephants said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

My point about selective morality is beautifully made here. The USA (the main NATO member) does the same thing to China, including a collision resulting in deaths with lots of previous form for this kind of behaviour but that is acceptable.

Russia does it to us and it becomes provocation by a mad man Looking for war. Who are the real warmongering mad men then?

Can you see the hypocrisy?

The Chinese pilot died when the PLAAF aircraft rammed the P3 as far as I can remember, so it was self inflicted.

Edit to add; the wiki says the collision occured on the 3rd flyby by the Chinese fighter, so the pilot signed a cheque he couldn't cash. The americans perhaps should not have been there, but I don't accept they are to blame for the death of a gungho fighter pilot with more aggression than ability.

As for hypocrisy, that's in your mind and perhaps elements of the media; I don't think he is spoiling for war, he's just doing what he's spent the last decade doing in his own special way. The difference is that now there's a war going on on the EU's doorstep, an airliner has been shot down, the baltic NATO members are being subjected to maskirovka and now Vlad is playing chicken with civilian air traffic.

Fair points, disagree on some but none the less, well made argument.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Mojocvh said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Mojocvh said:

sigh. what one are "u" btw?

You need pictures to make a point, is the spelling too hard?

I thought Obama was communist, Fox news says so.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 20th February 20:28

You need pictures to make a point

think about it, .

Only if you're knuckledragger or under 5.

[Big Al.]

Guys lets cut out the personal insults shall we.

[AreOut]

hidetheelephants said:

The Chinese pilot died when the PLAAF aircraft rammed the P3 as far as I can remember, so it was self inflicted.

Edit to add; the wiki says the collision occured on the 3rd flyby by the Chinese fighter, so the pilot signed a cheque he couldn't cash. The americans perhaps should not have been there, but I don't accept they are to blame for the death of a gungho fighter pilot with more aggression than ability.

exactly, so working transponder wouldn't help jack sh*t there

all these incidents with russian planes flying relatively close would have been the same with transponder turned on

[Liokault]

AreOut said:

hidetheelephants said:

The Chinese pilot died when the PLAAF aircraft rammed the P3 as far as I can remember, so it was self inflicted.

Edit to add; the wiki says the collision occured on the 3rd flyby by the Chinese fighter, so the pilot signed a cheque he couldn't cash. The americans perhaps should not have been there, but I don't accept they are to blame for the death of a gungho fighter pilot with more aggression than ability.

exactly, so working transponder wouldn't help jack sh*t there

all these incidents with russian planes flying relatively close would have been the same with transponder turned on

I think your logic is out.

Yes, so far the out come with and without the transponder has been the same.
If a civ aircraft hits a bear, the result will have not been the same, unless you think that civilian pilots are trying to deliberately ram bears.

[Mr Whippy]

I'm amazed how normal people polarise themselves to a 'side' so readily.

Neither of the powers that be on either side give a toss about normal people.

Both sides are sabre rattling to extend their own ideologies. Not 'our' ideologies, but their own and their crony friends ideologies.


The indoctrination fed to us by our dictators is clearly working pretty well. Divide and conquer working amazingly well.

I wonder if people will be so happy when they or their family are required to go give up their lives to protect one billionaires margins on oil or gas pipelines, over another billionaires.



Dave

Edited by Mr Whippy on Saturday 21st February 16:36

[AreOut]

Liokault said:

I think your logic is out.

Yes, so far the out come with and without the transponder has been the same.
If a civ aircraft hits a bear, the result will have not been the same, unless you think that civilian pilots are trying to deliberately ram bears.

I am quite sure the russian pilots have the possibility to detect&evade such encounters otherwise they wouldn't fly.

[Liokault]

Mr Whippy said:

I'm amazed how normal people polarise themselves to a 'side' so readily.

Neither of the powers that be on either side give a toss about normal people.

Both sides are sabre rattling to extend their own ideologies. Not 'our' ideologies, but their own and their crony friends ideologies.


The indoctrination fed to us by our dictators is clearly working pretty well. Divide and conquer working amazingly well.

I wonder if people will be so happy when they or their family are required to go give up their lives to protect one billionaires margins on oil or gas pipelines, over another billionaires.



Dave

Edited by Mr Whippy on Saturday 21st February 16:36

I find the clear polarisation of your view point ironic.

[Liokault]

AreOut said:

Liokault said:

I think your logic is out.

Yes, so far the out come with and without the transponder has been the same.
If a civ aircraft hits a bear, the result will have not been the same, unless you think that civilian pilots are trying to deliberately ram bears.

I am quite sure the russian pilots have the possibility to detect&evade such encounters otherwise they wouldn't fly.

Because no one in the military ever took a risk? If they were safe without transponders, they wouldn't need transponders.