War with Russia

[Transmitter Man]

Mr Whippy said:

Alternatively, the depths of what may underlay all this may well be beyond simple 'slap in the face' obviousness that an armchair Google investigation may uncover.

Undermining the ability of the West/NATO or Russia/Putin to be up to all kinds of unknown shenanigans in the background will only allow you to draw conclusions slapped into your brain by the main stream media.

Putin bad, Cameron and Obama good. If only the world were so black and white!

Dave

Such as?

Phil

[Cobnapint]

Mr Whippy said:

My best guess would probably still be miles from a truth we may never know any way.

It's pointless to speculate.


All I know for sure is.......

I see what you did there. LMAO.

[Mr Whippy]

Transmitter Man said:

Such as?

Phil

I don't know.

Just like all the other armchair experts here don't know but talk as if it's all so obvious.


The only thing you need realise is that what is going on isn't in your best interests.

Unless your kids going to war and dying so some wealthy people can extend the lot in life is in your best interests?


Both sides are feeding their represented populations tall stories that make them emotionally buy into choosing a side and supporting their aggression.


What is wrong with a standpoint that rejects both sides on the basis that war is no good for us on this case?

[skyrover]

Britain is signatory to the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, ergo we are involved whether we like it or not.

The Russian Federation, the United States of America, and the United Kingdom are all party to the treaty, irrespective of NATO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_o...

Unless you think international law is not worth the paper on which is is written (you may have a point)

[nyxster]

Mr Whippy said:

My best guess would probably still be miles from a truth we may never know any way.

It's pointless to speculate.


All I know for sure is that this isn't any any 'normal' persons interests and they should resist any escalation that our leaders suggest is required in response to false flag events... Like this recent killing.

I know for certain, Obama, Cameron and Putin won't be shedding any blood for this, but them and their friends will be making some money out of it I'm sure!

False flag events lol.

This post is brought to you courtesy of the Alex Jones show...

[Transmitter Man]

Mr Whippy said:

I don't know.

Just like all the other armchair experts here don't know but talk as if it's all so obvious.


The only thing you need realise is that what is going on isn't in your best interests.

Unless your kids going to war and dying so some wealthy people can extend the lot in life is in your best interests?


Both sides are feeding their represented populations tall stories that make them emotionally buy into choosing a side and supporting their aggression.


What is wrong with a standpoint that rejects both sides on the basis that war is no good for us on this case?

But I cannot understand why you seem to be siding with an invader of another sovereign state.

It's patently obvious the guys done wrong.

Forget about all the gobbledegook propaganda.

Bush & Blair also done wrong.

Maybe you prefer to play devils advocate?

Phil

[AreOut]

skyrover said:

Quite an impressive list Russia has been building. Alternatively, they could all have been killed by "Western Agents"

April 2003 - Liberal politician Sergey Yushenkov assassinated near his Moscow home

July 2003 - Investigative journalist Yuri Shchekochikhin died after 16-day mysterious illness

July 2004 - Forbes magazine Russian editor Paul Klebnikov shot from moving car on Moscow street, died later in hospital

October 2006 - Investigative journalist Anna Politkovskaya shot dead outside her Moscow apartment

November 2006 - Former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko died nearly three weeks after drinking tea laced with polonium in London hotel

March 2013 - Boris Berezovsky, former Kremlin power broker turned Putin critic, found dead in his UK home

February 2015 - Boris Nemtsov , leading Russian opposition politician, shot dead in front of the Kremlin

I do believe majority of those are indeed killed by FSB, however it doesn't have to be the case every time

[Welshbeef]

So the. Come on let's have assumption here


What's people's view of where/how things will have played out this time next year?

[Mr Whippy]

nyxster said:

False flag events lol.

This post is brought to you courtesy of the Alex Jones show...

Of course, politicians have never lied or misled, or released well timed news before.

Why do you think they hire quangos? It's for you!

[Mr Whippy]

Transmitter Man said:

But I cannot understand why you seem to be siding with an invader of another sovereign state.

It's patently obvious the guys done wrong.

Forget about all the gobbledegook propaganda.

Bush & Blair also done wrong.

Maybe you prefer to play devils advocate?

Phil

Putin hasn't invaded has he?

So far I see a civil war. All else is speculation, or assuming based on far from all the facts.


I do like to play Devils advocate, but in this case I'm playing anti-war mongering advocate.

Allowing our elected representatives to escalate things in this case won't benefit the average UK, Ukraine or Russian person.


But hey, Saddam was 'evil' and worth getting rid of, despite our pretext for invasion being a load of bks. Why not do the same with Putin.
Just like Iraq turned out great, so will Ukraine and Russia

[Mojocvh]

Mr Whippy said:

nyxster said:

False flag events lol.

This post is brought to you courtesy of the Alex Jones show...

Of course, politicians have never lied or misled, or released well timed news before.

Why do you think they hire quangos? It's for you!

? Hire Quangos???

[cardigankid]

skyrover said:

Britain is signatory to the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, ergo we are involved whether we like it or not.

The Russian Federation, the United States of America, and the United Kingdom are all party to the treaty, irrespective of NATO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_o...

Unless you think international law is not worth the paper on which is is written (you may have a point)

fk the Treaty. Britain went to war in 1939 to protect the independence of Poland and a power of good that did. In no way will the British public support wading into the Russians in Ukraine.

[Mojocvh]

cardigankid said:

skyrover said:

Britain is signatory to the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, ergo we are involved whether we like it or not.

The Russian Federation, the United States of America, and the United Kingdom are all party to the treaty, irrespective of NATO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_o...

Unless you think international law is not worth the paper on which is is written (you may have a point)

fk the Treaty. Britain went to war in 1939 to protect the independence of Poland and a power of good that did. In no way will the British public support wading into the Russians in Ukraine.

It's got nothing to do with what you "think".

I think we desperately need a viable MPA/Anti submarine aircraft aircraft/force rather than some spam can at £100 million a shot but HEY.....

Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 28th February 22:12

[Cobnapint]

Mr Whippy said:

Putin hasn't invaded has he?

No. It was pure coincidence that he was conducting military exercises with thousands of troops right on Ukraine's boarder just before it all kicked off.

And that columns of Russian tanks have been seen trundling into Ukraine.

And that captured 'rebels' have been found carrying Russian passports.

And that Russian troops have posted on social media from inside Ukraine.

And that US satellites have stills of Russian artillery shelling across the boarder.

And that the BUK launcher that shot down MH17 was seen scurrying back in the direction of Russia.

And that Putin is involved in all ceasefire negotiations.

Oh, and then there's Crimea.

[Transmitter Man]

[quote=Mr Whippy]

Putin hasn't invaded has he?

Yes he has.

He sent his thugs to stir things up and helped create the situation that now exists.

They were not soldiers on vacation with T90's in their travel bag.

Come off the fence please and clean your glasses.

He is occupying a sovereign state.

Please, cut through the BS.

Phil

[Transmitter Man]

Dave,

Let me give you just one example of Kremlin tactics - switch between at least 5 conspiracies until public stops following the path of what really happened - worked with MH17.

I know you could aim this at any government but we're talking here of Vlad's.

I found a good video with English sub-titles.

http://youtu.be/CqXmpWQcjQ0

Phil

PS. This is what is commonly called 'Organised BS'.

Edited by Transmitter Man on Sunday 1st March 07:20

[petrolsniffer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZjbYXF6yi0 Its fact russian soldiers are there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWWgEg-_INM this mini doc should be intresting when it lands

[scherzkeks]

Transmitter Man said:

The Ukrainian people had a democratic vote.

Let's fill in the gaps. Poroshenko was "elected" via a vote that was highly underrepresentative, as most of the South and East were unable to vote. So calling it democratic is, shall we say, a bit liberal. And this is ignoring the fact that the snap election was orchestrated by individuals involved in an illegitimate post-coup government which wasn't accepted by a sizable portion of the country's own citizens.

[hidetheelephants]

scherzkeks said:

Let's fill in the gaps. Poroshenko was "elected" via a vote that was highly underrepresentative, as most of the South and East were unable to vote. So calling it democratic is, shall we say, a bit liberal. And this is ignoring the fact that the snap election was orchestrated by individuals involved in an illegitimate post-coup government which wasn't accepted by a sizable portion of the country's own citizens.

I wonder what could possibly have stopped the people in the south and west from voting? Could it possibly have been the nascent guerilla campaign being waged by an alliance between the 'little green men' and a collection of thugs and gangsters? Bit of a self-licking icecream that. Compared to the plebicite in Crimea it was a model election.

[scherzkeks]

hidetheelephants said:

I wonder what could possibly have stopped the people in the south and west from voting? Could it possibly have been the nascent guerilla campaign being waged by an alliance between the 'little green men' and a collection of thugs and gangsters? Bit of a self-licking icecream that. Compared to the plebicite in Crimea it was a model election.

Evidence?

I won't be insulted if you don't return.