War with Russia
Discussion
All the Nemtsov assassination theories neatly arranged.
I will be quite disappointed if it turns out to be a mundane reason, this James Bond Spy thriller reality is better than anything Frederick Forsyth could come up with.
As 1000s Mourn At Nemtsov's Funeral, Seven Main Conspiracy Theories Emerge
I will be quite disappointed if it turns out to be a mundane reason, this James Bond Spy thriller reality is better than anything Frederick Forsyth could come up with.
As 1000s Mourn At Nemtsov's Funeral, Seven Main Conspiracy Theories Emerge
Excellent news.
Angie just stated unequivocally that sanctions will be ramped up until such time that all of Ukraine's border is restored to Ukraine control.
I see this going on a long time until each and every Russian suffers other than Putin & his paid off cronies.
they'll then have to bring the water cannot & tear gas out on the crowds.
Excellent news indeed.
Phil
Angie just stated unequivocally that sanctions will be ramped up until such time that all of Ukraine's border is restored to Ukraine control.
I see this going on a long time until each and every Russian suffers other than Putin & his paid off cronies.
they'll then have to bring the water cannot & tear gas out on the crowds.
Excellent news indeed.
Phil
nah the only way you could hurt Russia is by driving the oil prices down, however west&allies didn't manage to get it below $43 and now it's over $50 and slowly rising...
have a look at these figures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GDP_of_Russia_si...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Russia#med...
you can see they managed just fine when oil was under $40
have a look at these figures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GDP_of_Russia_si...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Russia#med...
you can see they managed just fine when oil was under $40
AreOut said:
nah the only way you could hurt Russia is by driving the oil prices down, however west&allies didn't manage to get it below $43 and now it's over $50 and slowly rising...
have a look at these figures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GDP_of_Russia_si...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Russia#med...
you can see they managed just fine when oil was under $40
Best we have another word with those Saudi's to keep the taps open, only wider have a look at these figures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GDP_of_Russia_si...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Russia#med...
you can see they managed just fine when oil was under $40
Phil
What was that you were, er, saying?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/04/us-marke...
""Right now, the market has an upward bias," said Gene McGillian, senior analyst at Tradition Energy in Stamford, Connecticut. "But at some point, we're going to have to reflect the huge amount of oil we're producing."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/04/us-marke...
""Right now, the market has an upward bias," said Gene McGillian, senior analyst at Tradition Energy in Stamford, Connecticut. "But at some point, we're going to have to reflect the huge amount of oil we're producing."
Transmitter Man said:
Excellent news.
Angie just stated unequivocally that sanctions will be ramped up until such time that all of Ukraine's border is restored to Ukraine control.
Phil
Did you listen to this live, as the news articles report it slightly differently?Angie just stated unequivocally that sanctions will be ramped up until such time that all of Ukraine's border is restored to Ukraine control.
Phil
http://www.dw.de/merkel-warns-russia-of-new-sancti...
"Merkel warns Russia of new sanctions if Ukraine ceasefire violated"
skyrover said:
Most dictator's/authoritarian regimes have a few things in common.
They very much like being rich
They very much like being alive
Same with the rich in capitalist democracies too.They very much like being rich
They very much like being alive
We have a democratic vote coming up in the UK, but the one thing we can guarantee is that the rich will remain rich and alive.
Donning the tin foil hat further, isn't it quite likely that this West/Russia stand-off is just another game for the plebs to watch while more lube-free shafting goes on, like 'emergency powers' and new laws against freedoms, and some nice excuse to ship off people to get shot and distract them from their money going down the drain?
When the ideologies were the basis for the cold war it seemed more feasible for there to be tensions and war. But today we just have wealthy people on both sides calling the shots, worrying about where their oil and gas pipelines will go, and how they can distract the masses from the upset when those wealthy people stuff more of the plebs wealth into their own pockets (rich getting richer)...
Either way, the horrible picture of the burnt solider above should sum it up for everyone. War is bad full stop. Supporting either side is basically saying you want people to end up like that, possibly members of your own family, to fight for someone else's financial bottom line. Nice.
Dave
Mojocvh said:
What was that you were, er, saying?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/04/us-marke...
""Right now, the market has an upward bias," said Gene McGillian, senior analyst at Tradition Energy in Stamford, Connecticut. "But at some point, we're going to have to reflect the huge amount of oil we're producing."
Stockpiles rising to their maximum, remaining pumpers pumping like crazy to remain profitable, global demand likely sliding further as China and India growth slows.http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/04/us-marke...
""Right now, the market has an upward bias," said Gene McGillian, senior analyst at Tradition Energy in Stamford, Connecticut. "But at some point, we're going to have to reflect the huge amount of oil we're producing."
The only way is down for now I think.
God knows how all this economic crap is going to play out in the next 12 months. But we'll probably have an escalated war in Ukraine, Libya, Iraq and Syria soon enough so no one will notice so much.
Mr Whippy said:
Either way, the horrible picture of the burnt solider above should sum it up for everyone. War is bad full stop. Supporting either side is basically saying you want people to end up like that, possibly members of your own family, to fight for someone else's financial bottom line. Nice.
Dave
War is a racket - Smedley D. Butler (The most decorated US marine ever, when he died)Dave
Smedley D. Butler said:
War is a racket always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.
In the World War a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their income tax returns no one knows.
How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dugout? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried the bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?
Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few -the self-same few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill.
And what is this bill?
This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations.
For a great many years, as a soldier, I had a suspicion that war was a racket; not until I retired to civil life did I fully realize it. Now that I see the international war clouds again gathering, as they are today, I must face it and speak out.
Again they are choosing sides. France and Russia met and agreed to stand side by side. Italy and Austria hurried to make a similar agreement. Poland and Germany cast sheep's eyes at each other, forgetting, for the nonce, their dispute over the Polish Corridor. The assassination of King Alexander of Yugoslavia complicated matters. Yugoslavia and Hungary, long bitter enemies, were almost at each other's throats. Italy was ready to jump in. But France was waiting. So was Czechoslovakia. All of them are looking ahead to war. Not the people -not those who fight and pay and die-only those who foment wars and remain safely at home to profit.
There are 40,000,000 men under arms in the world today, and our statesmen and diplomats have the temerity to say that war is not in the making.
Hell's bells! Are these 40,000,000 men being trained to be dancers?
Not in Italy, to be sure. Premier Mussolini knows what they are being trained for. He, at least, is frank enough to speak out. Only the other day, 11 Duce in "International Conciliation," the publication of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said:
And, above all, Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility or the utility of perpetual peace...
War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have the courage to meet it.
Undoubtedly Mussolini means exactly what he says. His well trained army, his great fleet of planes, and even his navy are ready for war-anxious for it, apparently. His recent stand at the side of Hungary in the latter's dispute with Yugoslavia showed that. And the hurried mobilization of his troops on the Austrian border after the assassination of Dollfuss showed it too. There are others in Europe too whose sabre-rattling presages war, sooner or later.
Herr Hitler, with his rearming Germany and his constant demands for more and more arms, is an equal if not a greater menace to peace. France only recently increased the term of military service for its youth from a year to eighteen months.
Yes, all over, nations are camping on their arms. The mad dogs of Europe are on the loose.
You can read the rest here.A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.
In the World War a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their income tax returns no one knows.
How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dugout? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried the bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?
Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few -the self-same few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill.
And what is this bill?
This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations.
For a great many years, as a soldier, I had a suspicion that war was a racket; not until I retired to civil life did I fully realize it. Now that I see the international war clouds again gathering, as they are today, I must face it and speak out.
Again they are choosing sides. France and Russia met and agreed to stand side by side. Italy and Austria hurried to make a similar agreement. Poland and Germany cast sheep's eyes at each other, forgetting, for the nonce, their dispute over the Polish Corridor. The assassination of King Alexander of Yugoslavia complicated matters. Yugoslavia and Hungary, long bitter enemies, were almost at each other's throats. Italy was ready to jump in. But France was waiting. So was Czechoslovakia. All of them are looking ahead to war. Not the people -not those who fight and pay and die-only those who foment wars and remain safely at home to profit.
There are 40,000,000 men under arms in the world today, and our statesmen and diplomats have the temerity to say that war is not in the making.
Hell's bells! Are these 40,000,000 men being trained to be dancers?
Not in Italy, to be sure. Premier Mussolini knows what they are being trained for. He, at least, is frank enough to speak out. Only the other day, 11 Duce in "International Conciliation," the publication of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said:
And, above all, Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility or the utility of perpetual peace...
War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have the courage to meet it.
Undoubtedly Mussolini means exactly what he says. His well trained army, his great fleet of planes, and even his navy are ready for war-anxious for it, apparently. His recent stand at the side of Hungary in the latter's dispute with Yugoslavia showed that. And the hurried mobilization of his troops on the Austrian border after the assassination of Dollfuss showed it too. There are others in Europe too whose sabre-rattling presages war, sooner or later.
Herr Hitler, with his rearming Germany and his constant demands for more and more arms, is an equal if not a greater menace to peace. France only recently increased the term of military service for its youth from a year to eighteen months.
Yes, all over, nations are camping on their arms. The mad dogs of Europe are on the loose.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/War_Peace/War_A_...
2013BRM]/b said:
he also has ICBM capability that can reach 50% of the globe
Only if he puts a warhead on a commercial airliner to his choice of destination. Realistically they have some BM's I wouldn't even go as far as continental and definitely not intercontinental. Even if they did they don't have anything remotely powerful that can go on the end of one nor the ability to guide them, think V2 rockets from the 2nd world war.
After_Shock said:
2013BRM]/b said:
he also has ICBM capability that can reach 50% of the globe
Only if he puts a warhead on a commercial airliner to his choice of destination. Realistically they have some BM's I wouldn't even go as far as continental and definitely not intercontinental. Even if they did they don't have anything remotely powerful that can go on the end of one nor the ability to guide them, think V2 rockets from the 2nd world war.
AreOut said:
2013BRM said:
ICBM bought from Russia is where the current intel is at right now
no way the Russians would increase NK nuclear capability, especially because Russia is their neighbour(Vladivostok is some 50 miles from NK border) and crazy Kim could always turn against them2013BRM said:
NK do have an ICBM, I got this from someone serving as Combat Intel with Singapore Air Combat Recce, I'll go with what he says if it's ok with you, from other threads you appear to speak with more conviction than actual fact old chap
Yep, more likely to be given to them by someone out of harms way, who wants them to use it on a neighbour as a pretext for the givers later invasion and 'liberation' of the recipient.QuantumTokoloshi said:
Mr Whippy said:
Either way, the horrible picture of the burnt solider above should sum it up for everyone. War is bad full stop. Supporting either side is basically saying you want people to end up like that, possibly members of your own family, to fight for someone else's financial bottom line. Nice.
Dave
War is a racket - Smedley D. Butler (The most decorated US marine ever, when he died)Dave
Smedley D. Butler said:
War is a racket always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.
In the World War a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their income tax returns no one knows.
How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dugout? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried the bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?
Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few -the self-same few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill.
And what is this bill?
This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations.
For a great many years, as a soldier, I had a suspicion that war was a racket; not until I retired to civil life did I fully realize it. Now that I see the international war clouds again gathering, as they are today, I must face it and speak out.
Again they are choosing sides. France and Russia met and agreed to stand side by side. Italy and Austria hurried to make a similar agreement. Poland and Germany cast sheep's eyes at each other, forgetting, for the nonce, their dispute over the Polish Corridor. The assassination of King Alexander of Yugoslavia complicated matters. Yugoslavia and Hungary, long bitter enemies, were almost at each other's throats. Italy was ready to jump in. But France was waiting. So was Czechoslovakia. All of them are looking ahead to war. Not the people -not those who fight and pay and die-only those who foment wars and remain safely at home to profit.
There are 40,000,000 men under arms in the world today, and our statesmen and diplomats have the temerity to say that war is not in the making.
Hell's bells! Are these 40,000,000 men being trained to be dancers?
Not in Italy, to be sure. Premier Mussolini knows what they are being trained for. He, at least, is frank enough to speak out. Only the other day, 11 Duce in "International Conciliation," the publication of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said:
And, above all, Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility or the utility of perpetual peace...
War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have the courage to meet it.
Undoubtedly Mussolini means exactly what he says. His well trained army, his great fleet of planes, and even his navy are ready for war-anxious for it, apparently. His recent stand at the side of Hungary in the latter's dispute with Yugoslavia showed that. And the hurried mobilization of his troops on the Austrian border after the assassination of Dollfuss showed it too. There are others in Europe too whose sabre-rattling presages war, sooner or later.
Herr Hitler, with his rearming Germany and his constant demands for more and more arms, is an equal if not a greater menace to peace. France only recently increased the term of military service for its youth from a year to eighteen months.
Yes, all over, nations are camping on their arms. The mad dogs of Europe are on the loose.
You can read the rest here.A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.
In the World War a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their income tax returns no one knows.
How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dugout? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried the bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?
Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few -the self-same few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill.
And what is this bill?
This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations.
For a great many years, as a soldier, I had a suspicion that war was a racket; not until I retired to civil life did I fully realize it. Now that I see the international war clouds again gathering, as they are today, I must face it and speak out.
Again they are choosing sides. France and Russia met and agreed to stand side by side. Italy and Austria hurried to make a similar agreement. Poland and Germany cast sheep's eyes at each other, forgetting, for the nonce, their dispute over the Polish Corridor. The assassination of King Alexander of Yugoslavia complicated matters. Yugoslavia and Hungary, long bitter enemies, were almost at each other's throats. Italy was ready to jump in. But France was waiting. So was Czechoslovakia. All of them are looking ahead to war. Not the people -not those who fight and pay and die-only those who foment wars and remain safely at home to profit.
There are 40,000,000 men under arms in the world today, and our statesmen and diplomats have the temerity to say that war is not in the making.
Hell's bells! Are these 40,000,000 men being trained to be dancers?
Not in Italy, to be sure. Premier Mussolini knows what they are being trained for. He, at least, is frank enough to speak out. Only the other day, 11 Duce in "International Conciliation," the publication of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said:
And, above all, Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility or the utility of perpetual peace...
War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have the courage to meet it.
Undoubtedly Mussolini means exactly what he says. His well trained army, his great fleet of planes, and even his navy are ready for war-anxious for it, apparently. His recent stand at the side of Hungary in the latter's dispute with Yugoslavia showed that. And the hurried mobilization of his troops on the Austrian border after the assassination of Dollfuss showed it too. There are others in Europe too whose sabre-rattling presages war, sooner or later.
Herr Hitler, with his rearming Germany and his constant demands for more and more arms, is an equal if not a greater menace to peace. France only recently increased the term of military service for its youth from a year to eighteen months.
Yes, all over, nations are camping on their arms. The mad dogs of Europe are on the loose.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/War_Peace/War_A_...
If the "Mad dogs of Europe" are really on the loose, it seems rather strange that defence spending is falling and that, in spite of your bizarre, Kremlin-inspired rhetoric about how Europe wants war, the military men are not getting what they want. Europes leaders are not handing over the cash. They aren't building armies. In real terms, they are barely even keeping spending static let alone grow it.
No doubt you will argue that this is a cunning plan by the duplicitous EU. They are making war while at the same time cutting spending on armed forces. Fiendish stuff.
Mr Whippy said:
2013BRM said:
NK do have an ICBM, I got this from someone serving as Combat Intel with Singapore Air Combat Recce, I'll go with what he says if it's ok with you, from other threads you appear to speak with more conviction than actual fact old chap
Yep, more likely to be given to them by someone out of harms way, who wants them to use it on a neighbour as a pretext for the givers later invasion and 'liberation' of the recipient.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff