War with Russia

[anonymous-user]

skyrover said:

Is that document for real?!!!!!!

[skyrover]

yes... here's one they made about Crimea



and a few about Russian "holidaymakers"

[anonymous-user]

Sorry, I'm lazy, can you provide a.link to that info on the FCO website please?

[skyrover]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

https://twitter.com/ukinukraine

[hidetheelephants]

skyrover said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

https://twitter.com/ukinukraine

Perusing some responses to that lead me to this;

[Mr Whippy]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I normally thought propaganda was a bit subtle and subliminally subversive, not slap in yer face obvious.

If it's real that is.

If not I'm not sure putting FCO identity on their makes the messages any less biased

[skyrover]

Mr Whippy said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I normally thought propaganda was a bit subtle and subliminally subversive, not slap in yer face obvious.
:

No need to invent when Russia is acting so blatantly

[Sir Humphrey]

Can someone please remind me why a squabble between Russia and Ukraine is any of our business?

[Asterix]

Sir Humphrey said:

Can someone please remind me why a squabble between Russia and Ukraine is any of our business?

Because if 'we' roll over there's the risk Russia will be emboldened to look at returning some of the other previous Soviet states back to their sphere of influence.

Some of those states are members of NATO. If Russia invades then we have no choice but to punch him in the face. Then everyone will start swinging.

[skyrover]

Sir Humphrey said:

Can someone please remind me why a squabble between Russia and Ukraine is any of our business?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_o...

[Art0ir]

Asterix said:

Because if 'we' roll over there's the risk Russia will be emboldened to look at returning some of the other previous Soviet states back to their sphere of influence.

Some of those states are members of NATO. If Russia invades then we have no choice but to punch him in the face. Then everyone will start swinging.

I don't think Putin is stupid enough to attack a NATO state. What he does appear to want to do, is make sure that NATO and the EU don't expand their own sphere of influence on his border.

[Transmitter Man]

That still gives him no right to invade a sovereign state however you wish to spin it.

Phil

[scherzkeks]

Mr Whippy said:

I normally thought propaganda was a bit subtle and subliminally subversive, not slap in yer face obvious.

Why? I can think of countless historical examples where it was every bit as overt as here, and just as effective.

[Mr Whippy]

skyrover said:

No need to invent when Russia is acting so blatantly

But wasn't the initial coup that forced Russia's hand perpetuated by Western involvement in Ukrainian politics?

I remember listening to a leaked video with some US woman discussing things in some recorded political meetings way back in late 2013 iirc?!

Dave

[skyrover]

Mr Whippy said:

skyrover said:

No need to invent when Russia is acting so blatantly

But wasn't the initial coup that forced Russia's hand perpetuated by Western involvement in Ukrainian politics?

We have no evidence other than some shrieking from Russian state controlled media.

Even so... that gives Russia no right to intervene with military force. This could have been dealt with in the UN.

However, it is known Russia already head designs on Crimea, as far back as 2008. (note the date on the article)

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2008/08/...

Edited by skyrover on Wednesday 18th March 12:08

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Mr Whippy said:

skyrover said:

No need to invent when Russia is acting so blatantly

But wasn't the initial coup that forced Russia's hand perpetuated by Western involvement in Ukrainian politics?

I remember listening to a leaked video with some US woman discussing things in some recorded political meetings way back in late 2013 iirc?!

Dave

Janet "F*ck the EU" Nuland, she helped spend $5 billion dollar to promote democracy in the Ukraine, to overthrown a democratic government in the Ukraine.

Perfectly understandable, ask Venezuela, Argentina, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Libya, Nicaragua, Chile, Ghana, Congo etc.

[Liokault]

Mr Whippy said:

But wasn't the initial coup that forced Russia's hand perpetuated by Western involvement in Ukrainian politics?

This depends on whether are you currently watching RT or BBC

[Art0ir]

Transmitter Man said:

That still gives him no right to invade a sovereign state however you wish to spin it.

Phil

I'm spinning nothing. I have no agenda here, just giving a possible Russian viewpoint.

You should empathise with your enemies. That doesn't mean you sympathise.

You should listen to Robert McNamara

[Mojocvh]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Mr Whippy said:

skyrover said:

No need to invent when Russia is acting so blatantly

But wasn't the initial coup that forced Russia's hand perpetuated by Western involvement in Ukrainian politics?

I remember listening to a leaked video with some US woman discussing things in some recorded political meetings way back in late 2013 iirc?!

Dave

Janet "F*ck the EU" Nuland, she helped spend $5 billion dollar to promote democracy in the Ukraine, to overthrown a democratic government in the Ukraine.

Perfectly understandable, ask Venezuela, Argentina, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Libya, Nicaragua, Chile, Ghana, Congo etc.

Same old same old.Yawn.

[Bluebarge]

Mr Whippy said:

But wasn't the initial coup that forced Russia's hand perpetuated by Western involvement in Ukrainian politics?

I remember listening to a leaked video with some US woman discussing things in some recorded political meetings way back in late 2013 iirc?!

Dave

No. It wasn't. HTH.