War with Russia
Discussion
AreOut said:
RUB is today 50% stronger against EUR than before 3 months, I wouldn't use "ever steepening downward" to describe it
External value of currency doesn't say much about economic performance.Try charting GDP growth for the last 10 years.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp
skyrover said:
Quoted from a contributor on AArse
"What a brilliant strategist Putin seems to be
After more than 20 years of peaceful coexistence with Europe, he has within 12 months, set Russia's economy on an ever steepening downward path, ensured that NONE of the democratic nations with a Russian border trust him, exposed Russians living abroad to distrust & possible sanctions & set the West on the road to rearmament.
Way to go Vladimir, you murderous criminal thug"
Err."What a brilliant strategist Putin seems to be
After more than 20 years of peaceful coexistence with Europe, he has within 12 months, set Russia's economy on an ever steepening downward path, ensured that NONE of the democratic nations with a Russian border trust him, exposed Russians living abroad to distrust & possible sanctions & set the West on the road to rearmament.
Way to go Vladimir, you murderous criminal thug"
The world is full of murderous criminal thugs
Singling out Putin seems a bit simplistic... but that is what the West wants people to do.
The world was so peaceful for the last three decades since the fall of the USSR. We've only had a constant war in the middle east with tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent people blown up
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
skyrover said:
Quoted from a contributor on AArse
"What a brilliant strategist Putin seems to be
After more than 20 years of peaceful coexistence with Europe, he has within 12 months, set Russia's economy on an ever steepening downward path, ensured that NONE of the democratic nations with a Russian border trust him, exposed Russians living abroad to distrust & possible sanctions & set the West on the road to rearmament.
Way to go Vladimir, you murderous criminal thug"
Err."What a brilliant strategist Putin seems to be
After more than 20 years of peaceful coexistence with Europe, he has within 12 months, set Russia's economy on an ever steepening downward path, ensured that NONE of the democratic nations with a Russian border trust him, exposed Russians living abroad to distrust & possible sanctions & set the West on the road to rearmament.
Way to go Vladimir, you murderous criminal thug"
The world is full of murderous criminal thugs
Singling out Putin seems a bit simplistic... but that is what the West wants people to do.
The world was so peaceful for the last three decades since the fall of the USSR. We've only had a constant war in the middle east with tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent people blown up
Dave
"A suspected submarine spotted in the Stockholm archipelago a week after Sweden's extensive hunt for Russian underwater vessels outside the capital last autumn was only a civilian boat, Sweden's Armed Forces have now said."
Is it?
So the snap taken a week after Sweden believe they detected a Russian mini sub turns out to not be a sub. Im not sure i can conclude that to whole episode was a monumental balls up when i dont recall anyone reporting that the picture was anything other than "could" have been a sub.
Is it?
So the snap taken a week after Sweden believe they detected a Russian mini sub turns out to not be a sub. Im not sure i can conclude that to whole episode was a monumental balls up when i dont recall anyone reporting that the picture was anything other than "could" have been a sub.
barryrs said:
"A suspected submarine spotted in the Stockholm archipelago a week after Sweden's extensive hunt for Russian underwater vessels outside the capital last autumn was only a civilian boat, Sweden's Armed Forces have now said."
Is it?
So the snap taken a week after Sweden believe they detected a Russian mini sub turns out to not be a sub. Im not sure i can conclude that to whole episode was a monumental balls up when i dont recall anyone reporting that the picture was anything other than "could" have been a sub.
I don't know, I'd be a bit pissed off if someone accused Britain of sending subs into other countries' sovereign waters just off a hunch and then the pictures that were taken a week after allegedly proving that it was indeed a British sub turned out to be nothing to do with not only Britain, but military vessels of any kind. But not after every media outlet has already ran a story about Britain seeking to rule the world once again.Is it?
So the snap taken a week after Sweden believe they detected a Russian mini sub turns out to not be a sub. Im not sure i can conclude that to whole episode was a monumental balls up when i dont recall anyone reporting that the picture was anything other than "could" have been a sub.
It's not without a precedent however, Sweden has been right about the Russian subs a 100% of the time before, so they can be forgive for not exercising some caution for the sake of diplomacy right?
paper said:
his work with the Swedish Navy to try to figure out what made all the underwater sounds detected in and classified as hostile Russian submarines in the 1980s. Elaborate analysis and experiments of many kinds proved that these sounds were not made by hostile underwater enemies but by farting herring
http://www.improbable.com/2011/10/12/thursday-whales-herring-farts-in-copenhagen/barryrs said:
So the snap taken a week after Sweden believe they detected a Russian mini sub turns out to not be a sub. Im not sure i can conclude that to whole episode was a monumental balls up when i dont recall anyone reporting that the picture was anything other than "could" have been a sub.
Reminds me of similar and laughable reports about how Putin "may" want to take back East Germany.If those doing the reporting took their audience seriously, they would't bother running such reports. But they assume their audience is suggestible. They are correct.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/a...
" The notion that the fall of communism brought about “the end of history” could not have been more wrong. In Russia, history has repeated itself again and again.
Whether under rule by the tsars, communists or capitalist oligarchs, Russia has not changed its essential character. Never having known freedom, it is now using the simulation of a free society to do what Russians have always done — behave with savage abuse of power towards their fellow citizens who are duly manipulated, corralled and enslaved. Under Putin, it has also become the corporate raider of globalisation, buying into the West and then using arrests, murder, bribery and blackmail to extort advantages....."
Mojocvh said:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/a...
" The notion that the fall of communism brought about “the end of history” could not have been more wrong. In Russia, history has repeated itself again and again.
Whether under rule by the tsars, communists or capitalist oligarchs, Russia has not changed its essential character. Never having known freedom, it is now using the simulation of a free society to do what Russians have always done — behave with savage abuse of power towards their fellow citizens who are duly manipulated, corralled and enslaved. Under Putin, it has also become the corporate raider of globalisation, buying into the West and then using arrests, murder, bribery and blackmail to extort advantages....."
The problem with the opinion column masquerading as journalism to be used by those, less able to structure and defend their own argument is just that, an opinion." The notion that the fall of communism brought about “the end of history” could not have been more wrong. In Russia, history has repeated itself again and again.
Whether under rule by the tsars, communists or capitalist oligarchs, Russia has not changed its essential character. Never having known freedom, it is now using the simulation of a free society to do what Russians have always done — behave with savage abuse of power towards their fellow citizens who are duly manipulated, corralled and enslaved. Under Putin, it has also become the corporate raider of globalisation, buying into the West and then using arrests, murder, bribery and blackmail to extort advantages....."
I could get a mate to write a nice lecture with the air of authority and some pseudo-moral high ground. Calling a nation murderous slave-drivers, constantly exploiting the weak and the poor for self-enrichment throughout the ages and then link it here, do you think that would add to a meaningful discussion? Perhaps later, once we ran out of nasty things to say about the respective countries, we can just save energy and throw poop at each other to make it easier? The one covered in less s
t wins?Honestly, I'd like to know what you hoped to achieve with this "article"? Do you simply want to say that you agree with the author of the Time's "opinion" column that Russia has never been successful and is stuck in an endless circle of corruption, savagery and exploitation? Why not just say so? What you did instead is: "this other man here said that Russia has never been successful and is stuck in an endless circle of corruption, savagery and exploitation". Just seems retarded.
isee said:
Mojocvh said:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/a...
" The notion that the fall of communism brought about “the end of history” could not have been more wrong. In Russia, history has repeated itself again and again.
Whether under rule by the tsars, communists or capitalist oligarchs, Russia has not changed its essential character. Never having known freedom, it is now using the simulation of a free society to do what Russians have always done — behave with savage abuse of power towards their fellow citizens who are duly manipulated, corralled and enslaved. Under Putin, it has also become the corporate raider of globalisation, buying into the West and then using arrests, murder, bribery and blackmail to extort advantages....."
The problem with the opinion column masquerading as journalism to be used by those, less able to structure and defend their own argument is just that, an opinion." The notion that the fall of communism brought about “the end of history” could not have been more wrong. In Russia, history has repeated itself again and again.
Whether under rule by the tsars, communists or capitalist oligarchs, Russia has not changed its essential character. Never having known freedom, it is now using the simulation of a free society to do what Russians have always done — behave with savage abuse of power towards their fellow citizens who are duly manipulated, corralled and enslaved. Under Putin, it has also become the corporate raider of globalisation, buying into the West and then using arrests, murder, bribery and blackmail to extort advantages....."
I could get a mate to write a nice lecture with the air of authority and some pseudo-moral high ground. Calling a nation murderous slave-drivers, constantly exploiting the weak and the poor for self-enrichment throughout the ages and then link it here, do you think that would add to a meaningful discussion? Perhaps later, once we ran out of nasty things to say about the respective countries, we can just save energy and throw poop at each other to make it easier? The one covered in less s
t wins?Honestly, I'd like to know what you hoped to achieve with this "article"? Do you simply want to say that you agree with the author of the Time's "opinion" column that Russia has never been successful and is stuck in an endless circle of corruption, savagery and exploitation? Why not just say so? What you did instead is: "this other man here said that Russia has never been successful and is stuck in an endless circle of corruption, savagery and exploitation". Just seems retarded.
Waiting, but I'll bet you don't [have a clue]...be warned though, there is plenty of current evidence to back up that articles hypothesis, so you'd better be good.
Edited by Mojocvh on Tuesday 14th April 15:02
isee said:
The problem with the opinion column masquerading as journalism to be used by those, less able to structure and defend their own argument is just that, an opinion.
I could get a mate to write a nice lecture with the air of authority and some pseudo-moral high ground. Calling a nation murderous slave-drivers, constantly exploiting the weak and the poor for self-enrichment throughout the ages and then link it here, do you think that would add to a meaningful discussion? Perhaps later, once we ran out of nasty things to say about the respective countries, we can just save energy and throw poop at each other to make it easier? The one covered in less st wins?
Honestly, I'd like to know what you hoped to achieve with this "article"? Do you simply want to say that you agree with the author of the Time's "opinion" column that Russia has never been successful and is stuck in an endless circle of corruption, savagery and exploitation? Why not just say so? What you did instead is: "this other man here said that Russia has never been successful and is stuck in an endless circle of corruption, savagery and exploitation". Just seems retarded.
Careful, you'll anger him. I could get a mate to write a nice lecture with the air of authority and some pseudo-moral high ground. Calling a nation murderous slave-drivers, constantly exploiting the weak and the poor for self-enrichment throughout the ages and then link it here, do you think that would add to a meaningful discussion? Perhaps later, once we ran out of nasty things to say about the respective countries, we can just save energy and throw poop at each other to make it easier? The one covered in less s
t wins?Honestly, I'd like to know what you hoped to achieve with this "article"? Do you simply want to say that you agree with the author of the Time's "opinion" column that Russia has never been successful and is stuck in an endless circle of corruption, savagery and exploitation? Why not just say so? What you did instead is: "this other man here said that Russia has never been successful and is stuck in an endless circle of corruption, savagery and exploitation". Just seems retarded.
Mojocvh said:
LOL, why don't you give us YOUR opinion of the Russian state as a counter then?
Waiting, but I'll bet you don't [have a clue]...be warned though, there is plenty of current evidence to back up that articles hypothesis, so you'd better be good.
Nice attempt at deflecting. I already expressed my opinion, and it's certainly more substantial than quoting someone else's. As for not having a clue it seems a bit rich coming from you in light of my criticism levelled at you just 2 posts earlier... You should be a politician.Waiting, but I'll bet you don't [have a clue]...be warned though, there is plenty of current evidence to back up that articles hypothesis, so you'd better be good.
Edited by Mojocvh on Tuesday 14th April 15:02
scherzkeks said:
Careful, you'll anger him.
I was just really curious how he thought his post a 100% of which was dedicated to another random man's opinion contributed to the discussion we are having here in any way. Even then the quote was simply saying that a country X sucks, which can be said about literally every country in the world, apart from maybe Norway, I can't think of anything bad to say about Norway..isee said:
I was just really curious how he thought his post a 100% of which was dedicated to another random man's opinion contributed to the discussion we are having here in any way. Even then the quote was simply saying that a country X sucks, which can be said about literally every country in the world, apart from maybe Norway, I can't think of anything bad to say about Norway..
I was being sarcastic. I want you to anger him. Our suggestible war cheerleaders are somewhat quiet at the moment, and I miss their contributions. isee said:
Mojocvh said:
LOL, why don't you give us YOUR opinion of the Russian state as a counter then?
Waiting, but I'll bet you don't [have a clue]...be warned though, there is plenty of current evidence to back up that articles hypothesis, so you'd better be good.
Nice attempt at deflecting. I already expressed my opinion, and it's certainly more substantial than quoting someone else's. As for not having a clue it seems a bit rich coming from you in light of my criticism levelled at you just 2 posts earlier... You should be a politician.Waiting, but I'll bet you don't [have a clue]...be warned though, there is plenty of current evidence to back up that articles hypothesis, so you'd better be good.
Edited by Mojocvh on Tuesday 14th April 15:02
Over to you.
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