War with Russia

[skyrover]

Interesting armour emblems for the Russian victory parade.



Orange and black for St Andrew mixed with a soviet era star.

A strange mix of symbolism... religion combined with an almost self-pitying "memory of the old days"

[isee]

skyrover said:

Interesting armour emblems for the Russian victory parade.



Orange and black for St Andrew mixed with a soviet era star.

A strange mix of symbolism... religion combined with an almost self-pitying "memory of the old days"

You do realise that the star is the official Russian Federation's military sign right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_ranks_and_insign...

I think your judgement born out of ignorance is not doing you any favours. It just became apparent to me that you view everything through an anti-russian prism and will find something evil even if they announced a rainbow unicorn breeding programme.

[hidetheelephants]

skyrover said:

Interesting armour emblems for the Russian victory parade.



Orange and black for St Andrew mixed with a soviet era star.

A strange mix of symbolism... religion combined with an almost self-pitying "memory of the old days"

Nothing sets off the olive drab of your new APC like a set of go-faster stripes.

[Mojocvh]

isee said:

You do realise that the star is the official Russian Federation's military sign right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_ranks_and_insign...

I think your judgement born out of ignorance is not doing you any favours. It just became apparent to me that you view everything through an anti-russian prism and will find something evil even if they announced a rainbow unicorn breeding programme.

Nice try. In fact skyrover has been astute in his details and references, which is probably why you posted as you did.

[skyrover]

isee said:

skyrover said:

Interesting armour emblems for the Russian victory parade.



Orange and black for St Andrew mixed with a soviet era star.

A strange mix of symbolism... religion combined with an almost self-pitying "memory of the old days"

You do realise that the star is the official Russian Federation's military sign right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_ranks_and_insign...
.

Yes I am well aware

It's interesting how several ex-soviet countries banned it as symbol of totalitarianism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_star

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/OEWatch/201307/Ru...

[Mojocvh]

Soviets to restart production of strategic bomber...

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/russia-to-reestablish-tu-160-supersonic-bomber-production-411778/?cmpid=NLC

[hidetheelephants]

Short of full scale war what's the point? They're white elephants that have spent more time moldering on aprons and in hangars than in active service, the reconstruction of the existing ones took vast amounts of time and money. I can't think of any export customers apart from China and I doubt Volodya wants to sell to them.

[isee]

skyrover said:

Yes I am well aware

It's interesting how several ex-soviet countries banned it as symbol of totalitarianism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_star

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/OEWatch/201307/Ru...

In your original picture comment you said the Russians hae brought back the red star... Calling it a red star is like me calling the german isignia a swastika.
OH NOES, everyone quick, prepare your bunkers, the Nazis are back and they are about to gas us all! OMGWTFBBQ!!!!1111oneoneone

Your constant moving the goalposts is pathetic, I prove you wrong on one point, you only deflect and make it about something else... tedious.

[skyrover]

The swastika is banned, the iron cross is not a symbol of nazism,... stop trying to muddy the waters

In other news....

Looks like the European parliament is going possibly going to press for international sanctions and prosecution for those involved with the continued detainment of Ukrainian pilot Nadia Savchenko

Source: The European Press Office

Surely the Russian authorities by now have realized keeping her detained is a huge own goal? If she dies in a Russian prison, she will become a marty, causing more damage than if she was simply released to be lost into the black hole of Ukrainian politics.

Edited by skyrover on Wednesday 6th May 08:46

[Cobnapint]

All gone quiet over the supposed suspects in the killing of Boris Netsmov. I guess Putin thinks the world has fallen for his cover story and it'll all be forgotten about.

The primary fall guy, sorry 'suspect', Zaur Dadaev, has withdrawn his confession saying that he was forced into confessing by Russian police.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/boris...

[scherzkeks]

skyrover said:

The swastika is banned... stop trying to muddy the waters

Not in the Ukraine, of course. Don't want to alienate your allies.

[skyrover]

scherzkeks said:

Not in the Ukraine, of course. Don't want to alienate your allies.

Not a Swastika, though the ideology and similarity are fairly dubious

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social-National_Assem...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

scherzkeks said:

Nice try... The Ukrainian trident (coat of arms) has nothing to do with Facism

A Ukrainian coin from 1015 ad



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Ukrai...

Edited by skyrover on Wednesday 6th May 09:20

[ApOrbital]

I thought russia was skint?

[AreOut]

trident is OK but that sign above on their arms has too much resemblance with nazis, except if they are electricians

[scherzkeks]

skyrover said:

Nice try... The Ukrainian trident (coat of arms) has nothing to do with Facism

A Ukrainian coin from 1015 ad



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Ukrai...

Edited by skyrover on Wednesday 6th May 09:20

The guy in that pic heads Svoboda.

Duh.

The rest of your post is nonsense, as usual. "Dubious."

[scherzkeks]

AreOut said:

that sign above on their arms has too much resemblance with nazis, except if they are electricians

The Wolfsangel is banned in Germany for its use in the Third Reich and ongoing use by right-wing extremists/neo-Nazis, such as our friends in the previous photos.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rechtsextreme_Symbole...

Edited by scherzkeks on Wednesday 6th May 14:04

[Stevanos]

This article is quite interesting, especially the graphic that compares Russia against the UK and US.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir...

If conventional war were to break out, the Ruskies would be pummeled pretty quickly on the basis of that info, obviously nukes change everything.

[Bluebarge]

Stevanos said:

This article is quite interesting, especially the graphic that compares Russia against the UK and US.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir...

If conventional war were to break out, the Ruskies would be pummeled pretty quickly on the basis of that info, obviously nukes change everything.

I think those figures are massively out-of-date/overstated. The Uk army is being reduced to an effective strength of 82k, not 146k and most of those aren't "front-line" troops - lots will be in logistics, medical etc functions, and when orders were given to bomb Syria, the RAF could muster only 4 Tornados that actually bloody worked - that would barely trouble Estonia, let alone Russia.

I don't think Putin is after all-out war anyway - nibbling away at the edges is more his style.

[isee]

Bluebarge said:

I think those figures are massively out-of-date/overstated. The Uk army is being reduced to an effective strength of 82k, not 146k and most of those aren't "front-line" troops - lots will be in logistics, medical etc functions, and when orders were given to bomb Syria, the RAF could muster only 4 Tornados that actually bloody worked - that would barely trouble Estonia, let alone Russia.

I don't think Putin is after all-out war anyway - nibbling away at the edges is more his style.

I don't think Putin has any ambitions with regard to UK and it's sad that he is being used to whip up paranoia and defence budgets. Though I agree that British military is underfunded and should be restored, though by restored I don't mean outsourced...

[Mojocvh]

hidetheelephants said:

Short of full scale war what's the point? They're white elephants that have spent more time moldering on aprons and in hangars than in active service, the reconstruction of the existing ones took vast amounts of time and money. I can't think of any export customers apart from China and I doubt Volodya wants to sell to them.

The one that, a number of years ago, got within 5 miles, running due west, of the Humber estuary whilst carrying out loft manouver certainly wasn't decrepit that's for sure..