War with Russia

[isee]

AreOut said:

Russia's new Armata battle tank, which is set to officially debut in Moscow for the Victory Day parade on Saturday, May 9, appears to have broken down during a dress rehearsal on Thursday, according to reports from Russian media and a video of the parade from RuptlyTV.

http://www.businessinsider.com/russias-armata-tank...

classic Russians

It's curious that buisinessinsider has chosen to leave out the part where the Tank's engine was running the entire time and that after 15 or so minutes the tank has driven off under it's own power. I have seen this covered by many publication and this is the first one to have left this trivial bit of info out. Which is strange since the video of the entire event is posted on RT, which business insider used as the source...

Free and unbiased press indeed...

Also, do I need to remind you of the completely broken and overpriced F-35, which we are buying from the USA, because we can no longer build military equipment ourselves?
Still feeling smug about the classic Russians who at least had the brain to not outsource their army entirely?

[scherzkeks]

isee said:

Assumes all Russian news are lies. Because "we have a free and neutral press and theirs is state run", uses "kyivpost" as source....

The real comedy here is that most major press outlets in the West are also "state run" in reality. The codependency and overlap between govt. and the private sector assure it. You want access, you write what they like. One of the most common criticisms of media watchdog orgs in the past 10 years is that the press have become little more than stenographers and, even worse, cheerleaders for the ever-profitable war machine.

All rather obvious to anyone paying attention, but perhaps not so much to kiddies arguing about who has the best tanks.

[isee]

This made me chuckle.
"If Barack doesn't go to Moscow Victory Day Parade, the Parade will go to Barack!"

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/videoclub/20150507/10218238...

[Elroy Blue]

isee said:

It's curious that buisinessinsider has chosen to leave out the part where the Tank's engine was running the entire time and that after 15 or so minutes the tank has driven off under it's own power. I have seen this covered by many publication and this is the first one to have left this trivial bit of info out. Which is strange since the video of the entire event is posted on RT, which business insider used as the source...

Free and unbiased press indeed...

Also, do I need to remind you of the completely broken and overpriced F-35, which we are buying from the USA, because we can no longer build military equipment ourselves?
Still feeling smug about the classic Russians who at least had the brain to not outsource their army entirely?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeJzuo2TsfM

Clearly nothing to see there at all.

[isee]

Elroy Blue said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeJzuo2TsfM

Clearly nothing to see there at all.

How is this a response to what I wrote? Why point me to different video that edited out the fact that the tank drove away under it's own steam?

Don't get me wrong, I think reporting on the fact that the new tank broke down (or rather seems to be operated by inexperienced crew more like) is fine. I am just saying that it's hardly worth the gloat, especially editing out the happy resolution to the incident just seems desperate...

[Mr Whippy]

isee said:

How is this a response to what I wrote? Why point me to different video that edited out the fact that the tank drove away under it's own steam?

Don't get me wrong, I think reporting on the fact that the new tank broke down (or rather seems to be operated by inexperienced crew more like) is fine. I am just saying that it's hardly worth the gloat, especially editing out the happy resolution to the incident just seems desperate...

Yeah just a bit.

I'm surprised it's even news at all outside of some military magazine or blog or something.

Dave

[skyrover]

I see those benevolent Russian seperatists have decided to release two IRC aid workers... how kind

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32671002

Of course if they had not captured them in the first place in direct violation of international law, this would not have been necessary.

and in other news...

Russia's flirting with China a little rocky?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/05/08/russias-stumb...

[skyrover]

... and now Russian soldiers quitting because of Ukraine?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/rus...

[isee]

skyrover said:

... and now Russian soldiers quitting because of Ukraine?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/rus...

An article is full of high certainty words such as: "reportedly", "there are repeated signs", "seems" and "Reuters spoke with five, including two who said that their main reason was not wanting to serve in Ukraine."

That's from the same news agency that brought us this: http://rt.com/news/245141-reuters-witness-misrepor...

You may be right of course, but like everything in this conflict a lot of accusations are flying left right and centre with not a whole lot to back them up (this goes for both sides). Meanwhile those who readily swallow everything that is being reported to them by either side, are the same idiots who call for escalation, refusing to even acknowledge the possibility of being partially wrong... It's just sad, but nothing new...

[skyrover]

isee said:

skyrover said:

... and now Russian soldiers quitting because of Ukraine?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/rus...

An article is full of high certainty words such as: "reportedly", "there are repeated signs", "seems" and "Reuters spoke with five, including two who said that their main reason was not wanting to serve in Ukraine."

That's from the same news agency that brought us this: http://rt.com/news/245141-reuters-witness-misrepor...

You may be right of course, but like everything in this conflict a lot of accusations are flying left right and centre with not a whole lot to back them up (this goes for both sides). Meanwhile those who readily swallow everything that is being reported to them by either side, are the same idiots who call for escalation, refusing to even acknowledge the possibility of being partially wrong... It's just sad, but nothing new...

I think it's a case of the press throwing a bit of evidence behind what we all generally suspect.

Anyhow it's moot... the only people who matter in this regard are NATO, and they have already made up their minds quite a while back.

... in other news

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/10/nato-...

[skyrover]

Murdered Russian politician Boris Nemtsov's report to be released by his allies

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/12/russi...

EDIT: It's been published, a BBC article

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32705610

Edited by skyrover on Thursday 14th May 08:42

[isee]

http://tass.ru/en/economy/794787

France sends proposals on termination of Mistral contract — media

[skyrover]

Ukraine claims to have captured some Russian special forces operating in Donbas.

https://news.vice.com/article/ukraine-releases-vid...

[AreOut]

they will never develop their tourism if they continue to behave like that with tourists...

[Mr Whippy]

skyrover said:

Ukraine claims to have captured some Russian special forces operating in Donbas.

https://news.vice.com/article/ukraine-releases-vid...

A video now constitutes proof

[QuantumTokoloshi]

This has potential to be more damaging to Ukraine economically, than the secessionist insurgency. A remarkably generous supra-national or sovereign benefactor might provides some blank cheques, but I doubt it.

Putin Pans Ukraine's Debt Moratorium As "De Facto Default", Threatens Court

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 21st May 15:39

[scherzkeks]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

This has potential to be more damaging to Ukraine economically, than the secessionist insurgency A remarkably generous supra-national or sovereign benefactor might provides some blank cheques, but I doubt it.

Putin Pans Ukraine's Debt Moratorium As "De Facto Default", Threatens Court

There is also this:

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/19/john_kerry_admits_...

As predicted in an old thread.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

scherzkeks said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

This has potential to be more damaging to Ukraine economically, than the secessionist insurgency A remarkably generous supra-national or sovereign benefactor might provides some blank cheques, but I doubt it.

Putin Pans Ukraine's Debt Moratorium As "De Facto Default", Threatens Court

There is also this:

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/19/john_kerry_admits_...

As predicted in an old thread.

That is a worthwhile read, and yes, it does look like sanity has prevailed.

[Mojocvh]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

scherzkeks said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

This has potential to be more damaging to Ukraine economically, than the secessionist insurgency A remarkably generous supra-national or sovereign benefactor might provides some blank cheques, but I doubt it.

Putin Pans Ukraine's Debt Moratorium As "De Facto Default", Threatens Court

There is also this:

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/19/john_kerry_admits_...

As predicted in an old thread.

That is a worthwhile read, and yes, it does look like sanity has prevailed.

indeed, perhaps this should be a heads up for all F-35 "partner nations"......

Edited by Mojocvh on Friday 22 May 23:46

[Halb]

scherzkeks said:

There is also this:

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/19/john_kerry_admits_...

As predicted in an old thread.

Most interesting read.