War with Russia

[Transmitter Man]

Cyprus is also strapped for cash to pay the public workers bill and the Ruskies have already started discussions to build a base here.

A good proportion of Russia's black money already resides here so it would be a natural move.

Phil

[scherzkeks]

Cobnapint said:

Quoted like a true supporter of Russian misinformation

Now I'm a true supporter. As opposed to?

I should be nicer, sorry. You've made some good progress.

[Liokault]

scherzkeks said:

Cobnapint said:

Quoted like a true supporter of Russian misinformation

Now I'm a true supporter. As opposed to?

I should be nicer, sorry. You've made some good progress.

Where as you are making none.

Why are you still pretending that your land grabbing, warmongering, fascist, economically disastrous dictator is a good guy wronged by a western block conspiracy?

[rich85uk]

Seems that things have taken an unexpected turn, The Right Sector militia group are in a stand off with the Ukrainian army and police in Mukachevo western Ukraine. Details are sketchy but it is believed to have started over an attempt to stop the traffic of cigarettes and possibly drugs, so far atleast 3 are dead

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150712/1024529532....

some of the battle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwYgjO8VGhk

Government backup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvFbeXJmOGo

The Right Sector have reportedly given the government until midnight to meet their deals, if this goes badly it could bring the war right onto the EU borders

[daytona365]

Ever seen anything more beautiful than those nuclear explosions on You tube ?.......Booooooom !!

[Thundersports]

How does everyone expect this to pan out and with what sort of timescale?

[AreOut]

Thundersports said:

How does everyone expect this to pan out and with what sort of timescale?

nobody knows, Ukraine is a country of 50 million impoverished, much bigger problem than Greece although they aren't in EU and won't be any time soon

[rich85uk]

Thundersports said:

How does everyone expect this to pan out and with what sort of timescale?

should have a better idea tomorrow but i suspect it will go badly, Right Sector are 10,000 strong and have begun pulling men away from the front line in Eastern Ukraine to head west, the demands they have asked for will never be met and the government have sent in a pretty large number of troops,tanks etc. Right Sector have also set up some check points in the west and these guys are known at times to behave like animals...

[Transmitter Man]

Thundersports said:

How does everyone expect this to pan out and with what sort of timescale?

The masons have decided that Putin can keep Crimea if he stays away from Syria & Iran.

[Cobnapint]

Thundersports said:

How does everyone expect this to pan out and with what sort of timescale?

The whole of Ukraine descending into war with many different f*cked up factions and splinter groups - something like you'd see in Iraq and Syria, except without the religion bit.

Russia creeping ever westwards under the 'we're helping create stability near our borders' banner.

NATO stressed to f*ck, piling even more weaponry into eastern Europe. More sanctions on Russia.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Cobnapint said:

Thundersports said:

How does everyone expect this to pan out and with what sort of timescale?

The whole of Ukraine descending into war with many different f*cked up factions and splinter groups - something like you'd see in Iraq and Syria, except without the religion bit.

Russia EU creeping ever west eastwards under the 'we're helping create stability near our borders' banner.

NATO Russia stressed to f*ck, piling even more weaponry into eastern Europe. More sanctions on Russia.

The alternate viewpoint, either way Ukrainian instability is not good for either camp.

[Cobnapint]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

The alternate viewpoint, either way Ukrainian instability is not good for either camp.

It's alternate alright - it's completely wrong as well.

NATO isn't, and does not want to occupy Ukraine.

Russia is and does. You missed that little point.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Cobnapint said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

The alternate viewpoint, either way Ukrainian instability is not good for either camp.

It's alternate alright - it's completely wrong as well.

NATO isn't, and does not want to occupy Ukraine.

Russia is and does. You missed that little point.

Russia does not want an insolvent nation as a vassal, they have enough economic problems as it is. It was not Russia who spent $5 000 000 000 promoting "demagogue-cracy"

It does suit NATO to have the big bad bear back, it provides a reason for it's continued existence and ensures the money is available for all those big green shiny toys, which are pointless, when you are reduced to dropping bombs on religious crazies and dictators in the desert.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 13th July 09:24

[Mojocvh]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Cobnapint said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

The alternate viewpoint, either way Ukrainian instability is not good for either camp.

It's alternate alright - it's completely wrong as well.

NATO isn't, and does not want to occupy Ukraine.

Russia is and does. You missed that little point.

Russia does not want an insolvent nation as a vassal, they have enough economic problems as it is. It was not Russia who spent $5 000 000 000 promoting "demagogue-cracy"

It does suit NATO to have the big bad bear back, it provides a reason for it's continued existence and ensures the money is available for all those big green shiny toys, which are pointless, when you are reduced to dropping bombs on religious crazies and dictators in the desert.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 13th July 09:24

Oh dear, you really are living in cloud cuckoo land.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Mojocvh said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Cobnapint said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

The alternate viewpoint, either way Ukrainian instability is not good for either camp.

It's alternate alright - it's completely wrong as well.

NATO isn't, and does not want to occupy Ukraine.

Russia is and does. You missed that little point.

Russia does not want an insolvent nation as a vassal, they have enough economic problems as it is. It was not Russia who spent $5 000 000 000 promoting "demagogue-cracy"

It does suit NATO to have the big bad bear back, it provides a reason for it's continued existence and ensures the money is available for all those big green shiny toys, which are pointless, when you are reduced to dropping bombs on religious crazies and dictators in the desert.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 13th July 09:24

Oh dear, you really are living in cloud cuckoo land.

I may well be, as we all could. There are bigger games in play than the simple Neo-cold war narrative we are being fed through the media about Ukraine. Putin is both a player and a pawn in this game.

[Bluebarge]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

It does suit NATO to have the big bad bear back,

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 13th July 09:24

No, it really doesn't. Every constituent member of NATO has better things to spend its money on than weapons to defend against the 19c. delusions of Vlad and his chums. However, Vlad's desire for Lebensraum is not even leaving the Doves with much choice. So, we are all left the poorer. Well done Vlad

[SPS]

Bluebarge said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

It does suit NATO to have the big bad bear back,

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 13th July 09:24

No, it really doesn't. Every constituent member of NATO has better things to spend its money on than weapons to defend against the 19c. delusions of Vlad and his chums. However, Vlad's desire for Lebensraum is not even leaving the Doves with much choice. So, we are all left the poorer. Well done Vlad

I do agree to a certain level re Vlad but lets look at it from his side of the curtain - sorry fence.
For years The EU and NATO have been pushing further and further East to try and assimilate many traditional ex "Eastern Block" countries which must have been ringing alarm bells in the Kremlin for years.
Then comes the proposed inclusion of the Ukraine into the EU/NATO orbit as well. Strategically for Russia this is a step too far - so we get him reverting to type.
You can only prod a bear so much. So pretty predictable repost.
Sadly many thousands of people are killed and displaced.

[scherzkeks]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

I may well be, as we all could. There are bigger games in play than the simple Neo-cold war narrative we are being fed through the media about Ukraine. Putin is both a player and a pawn in this game.

Yep. Highly unlikely you are wrong though, given the evidence on hand to support this view.

[Mojocvh]

lol.

[hidetheelephants]

Cobnapint said:

The whole of Ukraine descending into war with many different f*cked up factions and splinter groups - something like you'd see in Iraq and Syria, except without the religion bit.

There are as many bloodthirsty pirates wearing the vestments of orthodox and catholic christianity; the priests of both cheerlead the slaughter in what was Yugoslavia, if Ukraine splinters doubtless the same will happen again. A bitter irony given we've just seen ceremonies of remembrance for the slaughter in Bosnia 2 decades ago.