War with Russia

[Zod]

scherzkeks said:

Zod said:

For non-German speakers:

"Rumour upon rumour.

Please give us verified background info. Or is this just a naive invention? Because?"

This is very poor journalism from the Spiegel. I'm

A commenter has clamied the story is rumor. Well that settles that.



P.s. -- you are a non-German speaker.

As usual, you address none of the points. Lack of any sources other than tabloid newspaper reports based on "secret service info" for instance?

Your attempt at scornful insult is as risible as ever. I wonder how I managed to do my job for years in Germany without speaking the language.


ETA for actual non-German speakers, Scherzkeks' forum name strongly suggests he/she is purely here to troll.

[scherzkeks]

Zod said:

s usual, you address none of the points.

Projection, as usual.

What's unipolar theory, Zod? How does it relate to US foreign policy in the post CW era? Why do you claim it is "anti-Western"? What is PNAC and how were its objectives tied to this idea?

Zod said:

I wonder how I managed to do my job for years in Germany without speaking the language.

Me, too.

[Zod]

scherzkeks said:

Zod said:

s usual, you address none of the points.

Projection, as usual.

What's unipolar theory, Zod? How does it relate to US foreign policy in the post CW era? Why do you claim it is "anti-Western"? What is PNAC and how were its objectives tied to this idea?

All things you found out about on Wikipedia that feed your distaste for your country of birth that is so evident from your posting record. Just a few examples from recent weeks:

scherzkeks said:

It's not like things could get much worse in a place [the US] already circling the drain anyways.

scherzkeks said:

When you grow up in America, it makes more sense. It is a society built on hustling, it is obsessed with ownership and consumption, and it worships military culture and violence. The obsession with violence was something that I as an American didn't really get until I moved away. Regardless, this all sows the seeds for a deep mistrust and fear of others, at all socio-economic levels.

I've seen even the staunchest anti-gun types succumb to the "need" to own after a slight brush with danger. Personally, I think the root of the problem has less to do with gun laws and more with the national psyche.

scherzkeks said:

American cops are, by and large, abusive assholes, and this has only intensified since 9/11.

scherzkeks said:

Zod said:

I wonder how I managed to do my job for years in Germany without speaking the language.

Me, too.

Silly troll.

Edited by Zod on Wednesday 2nd September 16:46

[skyrover]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

skyrover said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Not sure about your point here? He is a journalist working for RT and ?

Gonzo journalism at it's finest, but without Hunter S Thompson's charisma

Aah right, just like the embedded journalists during the invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan then?

I have yet to see a BBC journalist fire a rifle at the opposing side

http://gwpcrimes.blogspot.co.uk/p/graham-phillips-...

[AreOut]

it's all for show anyway, he would do more harm than good for russkies

[QuantumTokoloshi]

skyrover said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

skyrover said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Not sure about your point here? He is a journalist working for RT and ?

Gonzo journalism at it's finest, but without Hunter S Thompson's charisma

Aah right, just like the embedded journalists during the invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan then?

I have yet to see a BBC journalist fire a rifle at the opposing side

http://gwpcrimes.blogspot.co.uk/p/graham-phillips-...

An innovative new interview technique, building on the good work done at Abu Graib.

The BBC journalist would not need to shoot, considering the security detail will do it for them.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 2nd September 21:33

[scherzkeks]

Zod said:

scherzkeks said:

Zod said:

s usual, you address none of the points.

Projection, as usual.

What's unipolar theory, Zod? How does it relate to US foreign policy in the post CW era? Why do you claim it is "anti-Western"? What is PNAC and how were its objectives tied to this idea?

All things you found out about on Wikipedia that feed your distaste for your country of birth that is so evident from your posting record. Just a few examples from recent weeks:

scherzkeks said:

It's not like things could get much worse in a place [the US] already circling the drain anyways.

scherzkeks said:

When you grow up in America, it makes more sense. It is a society built on hustling, it is obsessed with ownership and consumption, and it worships military culture and violence. The obsession with violence was something that I as an American didn't really get until I moved away. Regardless, this all sows the seeds for a deep mistrust and fear of others, at all socio-economic levels.

I've seen even the staunchest anti-gun types succumb to the "need" to own after a slight brush with danger. Personally, I think the root of the problem has less to do with gun laws and more with the national psyche.

scherzkeks said:

American cops are, by and large, abusive assholes, and this has only intensified since 9/11.

scherzkeks said:

Zod said:

I wonder how I managed to do my job for years in Germany without speaking the language.

Me, too.

Silly troll.

Edited by Zod on Wednesday 2nd September 16:46

BTW, in the Spiegel article you claim you can read, the CIA and Bundesnachrichtendienst were the sources for the info. on Academi involvement. Must have missed I guess.


Keep on trollin'

[Zod]

scherzkeks said:

Zod said:

scherzkeks said:

Zod said:

s usual, you address none of the points.

Projection, as usual.

What's unipolar theory, Zod? How does it relate to US foreign policy in the post CW era? Why do you claim it is "anti-Western"? What is PNAC and how were its objectives tied to this idea?

All things you found out about on Wikipedia that feed your distaste for your country of birth that is so evident from your posting record. Just a few examples from recent weeks:

scherzkeks said:

It's not like things could get much worse in a place [the US] already circling the drain anyways.

scherzkeks said:

When you grow up in America, it makes more sense. It is a society built on hustling, it is obsessed with ownership and consumption, and it worships military culture and violence. The obsession with violence was something that I as an American didn't really get until I moved away. Regardless, this all sows the seeds for a deep mistrust and fear of others, at all socio-economic levels.

I've seen even the staunchest anti-gun types succumb to the "need" to own after a slight brush with danger. Personally, I think the root of the problem has less to do with gun laws and more with the national psyche.

scherzkeks said:

American cops are, by and large, abusive assholes, and this has only intensified since 9/11.

scherzkeks said:

Zod said:

I wonder how I managed to do my job for years in Germany without speaking the language.

Me, too.

Silly troll.

Edited by Zod on Wednesday 2nd September 16:46

BTW, in the Spiegel article you claim you can read, the CIA and Bundesnachrichtendienst were the sources for the info. on Academi involvement. Must have missed I guess.


Keep on trollin'

Now my turn to doubt your ability to understand German.

First bold paragraph cites Bild am Sonntag.

Second paragraph cites denial by Blackwater that it had any personnel in Ukraine.

Third paragraph cites Russian news agency claim that Blackwater had personnel in East Ukraine in Sokol uniforms.

Fourth paragraph says that a newspaper article suggests there could be something to all of this (!): according to Bild am Sonntag, some 400 Blackwater elite soldiers supported the Ukrainian security services and led squads agains pro-Russian rebels around Slowjansk. The German Federal News Serovce supposedly told he Federal Government about this. Nobody knows who employed Blackwaters' services!

This information apparently came from the U.S. secret Service and was brought up in regular meetinhpgs of very important Germna civil servants!

The fifth paragraph tells us that the U.S. Secret services also had information that Russian pilots had made deliberate incursions into Ukrainian airspace. Russia denied this, but the Federsl government had information from the Americans that the Russian pilots had orders to do so.

Final paragraph: htere is no confirmation for this report. Private security firms like Blakwater have been criticised obverse their activities in Iraq. Several Blackwater personnel are being prosecuted in the U.S. for the killing of Iraqi civilians.

I'll leave this so that people can judge the worth of the article and whether I speak German.

Edited by Zod on Thursday 3rd September 01:49

[scherzkeks]

Zod said:

Now my turn to doubt your ability to understand German.

By all means, please.

Zod said:

Fourth paragraph says that a newspaper article suggests there could be something to all of this (!): according to Bild am Sonntag, some 400 Blackwater elite soldiers supported the Ukrainian security services and led squads agains pro-Russian rebels around Slowjansk. The German Federal News Serovce supposedly told he Federal Government about this. Nobody knows who employed Blackwaters' services!

This information apparently came from the U.S. secret Service and was brought up in regular meetinhpgs of very important Germna civil servants!

Thank you for confirming the sources (Federal Intel. Service, BTW) I posted above, and that BW/Academi/XE was active in Ukraine.

[Zod]

scherzkeks said:

Zod said:

Now my turn to doubt your ability to understand German.

By all means, please.

Zod said:

Fourth paragraph says that a newspaper article suggests there could be something to all of this (!): according to Bild am Sonntag, some 400 Blackwater elite soldiers supported the Ukrainian security services and led squads agains pro-Russian rebels around Slowjansk. The German Federal News Serovce supposedly told he Federal Government about this. Nobody knows who employed Blackwaters' services!

This information apparently came from the U.S. secret Service and was brought up in regular meetinhpgs of very important Germna civil servants!

Thank you for confirming the sources (Federal Intel. Service, BTW) I posted above, and that BW/Academi/XE was active in Ukraine.

perhaps Englsh comprehension is also an issue for you. There is no confirmation of any of those sources.

[scherzkeks]

Zod said:

erhaps Englsh comprehension is also an issue for you. There is no confirmation of any of those sources.

I believe your condition is diagnosable.

[Zod]

scherzkeks said:

Zod said:

erhaps Englsh comprehension is also an issue for you. There is no confirmation of any of those sources.

I believe your condition is diagnosable.

Your attempts at debating are stuck at playground level.

[scherzkeks]

Zod said:

Your attempts at debating are stuck at playground level.

Yes, all done, then? Now Hau ab!

[Langweilig]

I heard a report on Radio 5 Live that the Russian military are massing on the Syrian border. Presumably they're not there for pleasure. It's either in support of Assad or they crush ISIL.

Edited by Langweilig on Sunday 6th September 22:13

[Cobnapint]

Langweilig said:

I heard a report on Radio 5 Live that the Russian military are massing on the Syrian border. Presumably they're not there for pleasure. It's either in support of Assad or the crush ISIL.

It's both. Assad is a valued customer of Russia's arms industry and they don't want him over run.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...

[Countdown]

Langweilig said:

I heard a report on Radio 5 Live that the Russian military are massing on the Syrian border. Presumably they're not there for pleasure. It's either in support of Assad or the crush ISIL.

I don't think they're massing on the syrian border. That would mean they were massing in either Turkey, lebanon, Israel,or Iraq

They're massive long term allies of Syria. This "might" be payback for the Saudis refusing to maintain high oil prices via OPEC (which has had a significant negative impact on the Russian economy). However the Saudis have been were making overtures to the Russians so I'm surprised that Putin would decide to take sides? Also Russia has recently agreed to sell S-300 missiles to Iran which won't go down well with either KSA or Israel.

[0000]

Countdown said:

I don't think they're massing on the syrian border. That would mean they were massing in either Turkey, lebanon, Israel,or Iraq

Or Syria.

[TheEnd]

How reputable is forces.tv?

http://forces.tv/25918360

ie- "The British Prime Minister David Cameron wants the Royal Air Force to join in on bombing raids against President Bashar al-Assad ground forces, airfields and communications centres."

Is that confirmed as an intention?

Now I don't mind him going after ISIS/ISIL/IS etc, they generally don't have any friends, but they do make some good points that if you mess with al-Assad, you mess with his friends too.

The UK seems all too eager to pick a side and get involved in the ruck.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

TheEnd said:

How reputable is forces.tv?

http://forces.tv/25918360

ie- "The British Prime Minister David Cameron wants the Royal Air Force to join in on bombing raids against President Bashar al-Assad ground forces, airfields and communications centres."

Is that confirmed as an intention?

Now I don't mind him going after ISIS/ISIL/IS etc, they generally don't have any friends, but they do make some good points that if you mess with al-Assad, you mess with his friends too.

The UK seems all too eager to pick a side and get involved in the ruck.

This has potential to have nuclear armed opponents facing off, bombing / supporting various nebulous groups and / or the government of Syria. The USA has now asked Greece to close her airspace to Russian aircraft travelling to Syria.

My biggest fear is that the situation begins to run away with the participants in the mess, this is dangerous territory for everyone, more so than the Ukraine situation, as Syria is no longer a proxy war.

I must admit I was surprised by Mr Cameron's "self defence" attack on UK citizens in Syria, considering the moral outrage with the Litvinenko assassination. The Litvinenko debacle would probably been more acceptable to the UK, if Russia had used a UAV with LGBs and killed everyone within 50m.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Let's hope this lasts, seems the suspected rowing back by the supporters of new "democratic" Ukraine is now actually happening.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukr...