War with Russia

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QuantumTokoloshi

4,162 posts

217 months

Sunday 15th May 2016
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They should have gone with this instead. Catchy tune too.

https://youtu.be/t-wFKNy0MZQ

Escapegoat

5,135 posts

135 months

Sunday 15th May 2016
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Oceanic said:
Who is this Neil Clark cretin, why is he writing for the dictatorship?
It pays better than the Chipping Sodbury Gazette?

Mr Whippy

29,028 posts

241 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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Writing for a dictatorship!

How about writing in the interests of the established controllers?

Dictatorship or apparent democracy, we all get screwed with biased reporting.

Even Facebook does it hehe

Turquoise

1,457 posts

97 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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How is Ginetta G15 Girl still a member?

Always on the attack, condescending and full of personal insults.

Rudest poster on PH.

AreOut

3,658 posts

161 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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Turquoise said:
How is Ginetta G15 Girl still a member?

Always on the attack,
well, she is a woman

ATG

20,570 posts

272 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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Turquoise said:
How is Ginetta G15 Girl still a member?

Always on the attack, condescending and full of personal insults.

Rudest poster on PH.
She's blunt. Big deal. If someone is talking crap, she calls them on it. That isn't a personal attack; she's calling them on what they said. The insults are conditional too; you believe this, then you're a fool. That's quite different from saying "you're a fool".

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

279 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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Back in the day did the RAF ever send a V-bomber to test the Soviet's reaction times?


MrBrightSi

2,912 posts

170 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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NATO.

North Atlantic right?

Why are they looking to recruit Georgia into it's ranks and rapid reaction force, if it's a trade organisation that has NORTH ATLANTIC in it.

I will not condone the Russian behavior,i remember the Russians writing silly slogans on bombs while war-games were going on in Kaliningrad but this kind of silly muscle flexing has been going on for a long time on both sides.

We are expansionist in the face of the Russians, thats all i can say. I appreciate the fear of the ex-satellite states with regards to Russia, but surely becoming part of some other abbreviation isn't going to make things better.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

279 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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MrBrightSi said:
NATO.

North Atlantic right?

Why are they looking to recruit Georgia into it's ranks and rapid reaction force, if it's a trade organisation that has NORTH ATLANTIC in it.
Trade organisation?


And of course, it is fair to say that the 'trade' organisation's priorities should be determined by its name, and not by current world events.

Or maybe not.

s2art

18,937 posts

253 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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MrBrightSi said:
NATO.

North Atlantic right?
And nowadays most of Europe AND Turkey. It only started off as a few Northern European countries with USA and Canada. It got bigger.

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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Secret squirrel stil active, on the front lines.
https://www.facebook.com/damnyoubanana/videos/1739...

MrBrightSi

2,912 posts

170 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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Show me the door.

I'd make the excuse of my phone put trade not treaty, but i completely dropped the ball. Other point about Georgia hopefully matters. Turkey is another kettle of fish.

Ginetta G15 Girl

3,220 posts

184 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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I think you need to understand exactly what NATO is.

It is a Political/Military alliance of (currently) 28 States with the aim of collective mutual defence.

You seem to be hung up upon the term North Atlantic, but if you look at the Founding Articles you will see that the original sphere of influence was to be North of the Tropic of Cancer.

The expansion of NATO from 1999 onwards has nothing to do with 'expansionism' but everything to do with former Soviet occupied countries wanting to protect their rights to self determination. NATO doesn't 'recruit' members - countries apply to join.

Oh, and BTW, Turkey joined NATO in 1952. The same year as Greece and 3 years before West Germany.

PRTVR

7,101 posts

221 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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Ginetta G15 Girl said:
The expansion of NATO from 1999 onwards has nothing to do with 'expansionism' but everything to do with former Soviet occupied countries wanting to protect their rights to self determination. NATO doesn't 'recruit' members - countries apply to join.
But viewed from the Russian side it must look as expansionism and a change in the previous status quo.

skyrover

12,671 posts

204 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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PRTVR said:
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
The expansion of NATO from 1999 onwards has nothing to do with 'expansionism' but everything to do with former Soviet occupied countries wanting to protect their rights to self determination. NATO doesn't 'recruit' members - countries apply to join.
But viewed from the Russian side it must look as expansionism and a change in the previous status quo.
As opposed to actual expansionism such as every time they seize territory?

PRTVR

7,101 posts

221 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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skyrover said:
PRTVR said:
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
The expansion of NATO from 1999 onwards has nothing to do with 'expansionism' but everything to do with former Soviet occupied countries wanting to protect their rights to self determination. NATO doesn't 'recruit' members - countries apply to join.
But viewed from the Russian side it must look as expansionism and a change in the previous status quo.
As opposed to actual expansionism such as every time they seize territory?
One could argue that the seizing of territory was a response to the loss of the buffer states and it's reduction in its sphere of influence, I wonder if the Russians feel threatened by the changes that have taken place and wonder were it will stop, the balance of power is a delicate thing and the last thing the world needs is a resurgent Russia in the military arena.

skyrover

12,671 posts

204 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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PRTVR said:
One could argue that the seizing of territory was a response to the loss of the buffer states and it's reduction in its sphere of influence, I wonder if the Russians feel threatened by the changes that have taken place and wonder were it will stop, the balance of power is a delicate thing and the last thing the world needs is a resurgent Russia in the military arena.
There's no argument.

While one can understand their lament at the loss of soviet land, it was never theirs to begin with.

The term "resurgent Russia" is unfortunately these day's used to refer to it's return to a backwards, cold war method of intimidation, threat and land grab's.

How much better would this world be for a country that covers over 1/8 of the worlds surface could behave in a responsible and professional manner, that countries might actually want to join it's "sphere of influence", rather than apply to join NATO, an organisation specifically designed to resist Soviet expansionism.

If only Russia could look at itself in the mirror and see what it has become.

Edited by skyrover on Tuesday 17th May 07:40