War with Russia
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The Russians are taking not winning the Eurovision Song Contest well.
Mark the date. Saturday May 14, 2016, the day the music died and a song contest whose well-intentioned original aim of national harmony has become the latest front in the Western elite’s obsessional and relentless new Cold War against Russia.
While Ukrainians basked in their Eurovision win on Sunday, Russian officials and Kremlin-friendly media offered up a string of conspiracy theories to explain the win of Crimean Tatar singer Jamala, whose song “1944” was largely seen as a jab at the Kremlin.
Mark the date. Saturday May 14, 2016, the day the music died and a song contest whose well-intentioned original aim of national harmony has become the latest front in the Western elite’s obsessional and relentless new Cold War against Russia.
While Ukrainians basked in their Eurovision win on Sunday, Russian officials and Kremlin-friendly media offered up a string of conspiracy theories to explain the win of Crimean Tatar singer Jamala, whose song “1944” was largely seen as a jab at the Kremlin.
BlackLabel said:
The Russians are taking not winning the Eurovision Song Contest well.
Mark the date. Saturday May 14, 2016, the day the music died and a song contest whose well-intentioned original aim of national harmony has become the latest front in the Western elite’s obsessional and relentless new Cold War against Russia.
While Ukrainians basked in their Eurovision win on Sunday, Russian officials and Kremlin-friendly media offered up a string of conspiracy theories to explain the win of Crimean Tatar singer Jamala, whose song “1944” was largely seen as a jab at the Kremlin.
Who is this Neil Clark cretin, why is he writing for the dictatorship?Mark the date. Saturday May 14, 2016, the day the music died and a song contest whose well-intentioned original aim of national harmony has become the latest front in the Western elite’s obsessional and relentless new Cold War against Russia.
While Ukrainians basked in their Eurovision win on Sunday, Russian officials and Kremlin-friendly media offered up a string of conspiracy theories to explain the win of Crimean Tatar singer Jamala, whose song “1944” was largely seen as a jab at the Kremlin.
Turquoise said:
How is Ginetta G15 Girl still a member?
Always on the attack, condescending and full of personal insults.
Rudest poster on PH.
She's blunt. Big deal. If someone is talking crap, she calls them on it. That isn't a personal attack; she's calling them on what they said. The insults are conditional too; you believe this, then you're a fool. That's quite different from saying "you're a fool".Always on the attack, condescending and full of personal insults.
Rudest poster on PH.
Oceanic said:
BlackLabel said:
The Russians are taking not winning the Eurovision Song Contest well.
Mark the date. Saturday May 14, 2016, the day the music died and a song contest whose well-intentioned original aim of national harmony has become the latest front in the Western elite’s obsessional and relentless new Cold War against Russia.
While Ukrainians basked in their Eurovision win on Sunday, Russian officials and Kremlin-friendly media offered up a string of conspiracy theories to explain the win of Crimean Tatar singer Jamala, whose song “1944” was largely seen as a jab at the Kremlin.
Who is this Neil Clark cretin, why is he writing for the dictatorship?Mark the date. Saturday May 14, 2016, the day the music died and a song contest whose well-intentioned original aim of national harmony has become the latest front in the Western elite’s obsessional and relentless new Cold War against Russia.
While Ukrainians basked in their Eurovision win on Sunday, Russian officials and Kremlin-friendly media offered up a string of conspiracy theories to explain the win of Crimean Tatar singer Jamala, whose song “1944” was largely seen as a jab at the Kremlin.
NATO.
North Atlantic right?
Why are they looking to recruit Georgia into it's ranks and rapid reaction force, if it's a trade organisation that has NORTH ATLANTIC in it.
I will not condone the Russian behavior,i remember the Russians writing silly slogans on bombs while war-games were going on in Kaliningrad but this kind of silly muscle flexing has been going on for a long time on both sides.
We are expansionist in the face of the Russians, thats all i can say. I appreciate the fear of the ex-satellite states with regards to Russia, but surely becoming part of some other abbreviation isn't going to make things better.
North Atlantic right?
Why are they looking to recruit Georgia into it's ranks and rapid reaction force, if it's a trade organisation that has NORTH ATLANTIC in it.
I will not condone the Russian behavior,i remember the Russians writing silly slogans on bombs while war-games were going on in Kaliningrad but this kind of silly muscle flexing has been going on for a long time on both sides.
We are expansionist in the face of the Russians, thats all i can say. I appreciate the fear of the ex-satellite states with regards to Russia, but surely becoming part of some other abbreviation isn't going to make things better.
MrBrightSi said:
NATO.
North Atlantic right?
Why are they looking to recruit Georgia into it's ranks and rapid reaction force, if it's a trade organisation that has NORTH ATLANTIC in it.
Trade organisation?North Atlantic right?
Why are they looking to recruit Georgia into it's ranks and rapid reaction force, if it's a trade organisation that has NORTH ATLANTIC in it.
And of course, it is fair to say that the 'trade' organisation's priorities should be determined by its name, and not by current world events.
Or maybe not.
Secret squirrel stil active, on the front lines.
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I think you need to understand exactly what NATO is.
It is a Political/Military alliance of (currently) 28 States with the aim of collective mutual defence.
You seem to be hung up upon the term North Atlantic, but if you look at the Founding Articles you will see that the original sphere of influence was to be North of the Tropic of Cancer.
The expansion of NATO from 1999 onwards has nothing to do with 'expansionism' but everything to do with former Soviet occupied countries wanting to protect their rights to self determination. NATO doesn't 'recruit' members - countries apply to join.
Oh, and BTW, Turkey joined NATO in 1952. The same year as Greece and 3 years before West Germany.
It is a Political/Military alliance of (currently) 28 States with the aim of collective mutual defence.
You seem to be hung up upon the term North Atlantic, but if you look at the Founding Articles you will see that the original sphere of influence was to be North of the Tropic of Cancer.
The expansion of NATO from 1999 onwards has nothing to do with 'expansionism' but everything to do with former Soviet occupied countries wanting to protect their rights to self determination. NATO doesn't 'recruit' members - countries apply to join.
Oh, and BTW, Turkey joined NATO in 1952. The same year as Greece and 3 years before West Germany.
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
The expansion of NATO from 1999 onwards has nothing to do with 'expansionism' but everything to do with former Soviet occupied countries wanting to protect their rights to self determination. NATO doesn't 'recruit' members - countries apply to join.
But viewed from the Russian side it must look as expansionism and a change in the previous status quo.PRTVR said:
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
The expansion of NATO from 1999 onwards has nothing to do with 'expansionism' but everything to do with former Soviet occupied countries wanting to protect their rights to self determination. NATO doesn't 'recruit' members - countries apply to join.
But viewed from the Russian side it must look as expansionism and a change in the previous status quo.skyrover said:
PRTVR said:
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
The expansion of NATO from 1999 onwards has nothing to do with 'expansionism' but everything to do with former Soviet occupied countries wanting to protect their rights to self determination. NATO doesn't 'recruit' members - countries apply to join.
But viewed from the Russian side it must look as expansionism and a change in the previous status quo.PRTVR said:
One could argue that the seizing of territory was a response to the loss of the buffer states and it's reduction in its sphere of influence, I wonder if the Russians feel threatened by the changes that have taken place and wonder were it will stop, the balance of power is a delicate thing and the last thing the world needs is a resurgent Russia in the military arena.
There's no argument. While one can understand their lament at the loss of soviet land, it was never theirs to begin with.
The term "resurgent Russia" is unfortunately these day's used to refer to it's return to a backwards, cold war method of intimidation, threat and land grab's.
How much better would this world be for a country that covers over 1/8 of the worlds surface could behave in a responsible and professional manner, that countries might actually want to join it's "sphere of influence", rather than apply to join NATO, an organisation specifically designed to resist Soviet expansionism.
If only Russia could look at itself in the mirror and see what it has become.
Edited by skyrover on Tuesday 17th May 07:40
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