War with Russia

[QuantumTokoloshi]

skyrover said:

scherzkeks said:

skyrover said:

The US isn't the one holding national nuclear drill's against the NATO "boogeyman"

IIRC, they were busy trying to institute no-fly zones in a country they have no right to be in in order to protect some "moderate" jihadists they are supporting.

All nearly 3k of the 911 victims must be rolling in their graves.

Would you rather the US supported Assad while carpet bombing/using chemical weapons indiscriminately?

The homemade Sarin chemical weapons used in the ghouta attack? The same weapon precursors that were supplied via a NATO nation.

It not like it was first time WMD was used as an excuse to invade by NATO nations.

[W124]

The game was up, in the long term, when NATO annexed Poland.

[gooner1]

rallycross said:

Not true maybe you need to start reading some wider news reporting ie non USA biased reporting .

Perhaps we could, if Russia stopped murdering it's own journalists.

[frankenstein12]

skyrover said:

scherzkeks said:

skyrover said:

The US isn't the one holding national nuclear drill's against the NATO "boogeyman"

IIRC, they were busy trying to institute no-fly zones in a country they have no right to be in in order to protect some "moderate" jihadists they are supporting.

All nearly 3k of the 911 victims must be rolling in their graves.

Would you rather the US supported Assad while carpet bombing/using chemical weapons indiscriminately?

Lets be extremely clear.

The situation in Syria would not be what it is now if it were not for the US. At the beginning when it all started kicking off the US were right in there almost immediately supplying the so called rebels with intelligence and training. They also then started supplying them with weapons.

This in turn made a situation that was largely controllable by the Assad regime totally uncontrollable. This is not fantasy or dreams it is fact the US has admitted to albeit I read the documents and viewed the footage a number of years ago now and cannot be bothered to try find all of it again.

The US with the help of the UK, Germany, France etc have been doing everything they can to assist the so called rebels (actually terrorists) to try overthrow Assad.

In the process over a quarter of a million people have been killed and Syria has been reduced to rubble.

It is quite extraordinary how the US never learns from there monumental mistakes. Al Qaeda used to be Americas friend and they were given weapons intel and training by the US. They then turned on the US.

They never have and never will learn.

[scherzkeks]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

skyrover said:

scherzkeks said:

skyrover said:

The US isn't the one holding national nuclear drill's against the NATO "boogeyman"

IIRC, they were busy trying to institute no-fly zones in a country they have no right to be in in order to protect some "moderate" jihadists they are supporting.

All nearly 3k of the 911 victims must be rolling in their graves.

Would you rather the US supported Assad while carpet bombing/using chemical weapons indiscriminately?

The homemade Sarin chemical weapons used in the ghouta attack? The same weapon precursors that were supplied via a NATO nation.

It not like it was first time WMD was used as an excuse to invade by NATO nations.

You forgot to answer his very important question.

[skyrover]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

The homemade Sarin chemical weapons used in the ghouta attack? The same weapon precursors that were supplied via a NATO nation.

It not like it was first time WMD was used as an excuse to invade by NATO nations.

Homemade?

Prove it... Sarin is not easy to make whatsoever, yet it is well established that Syria had large stockpiles of the agent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-239273...

[skyrover]

scherzkeks said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

skyrover said:

scherzkeks said:

skyrover said:

The US isn't the one holding national nuclear drill's against the NATO "boogeyman"

IIRC, they were busy trying to institute no-fly zones in a country they have no right to be in in order to protect some "moderate" jihadists they are supporting.

All nearly 3k of the 911 victims must be rolling in their graves.

Would you rather the US supported Assad while carpet bombing/using chemical weapons indiscriminately?

The homemade Sarin chemical weapons used in the ghouta attack? The same weapon precursors that were supplied via a NATO nation.

It not like it was first time WMD was used as an excuse to invade by NATO nations.

You forgot to answer his very important question.

So did you.

[scherzkeks]

US now considering attacking Syrian government. Gotta save those Islamic fundies somehow. If Aleppo falls, ISIS was all for nothing

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-04/us-consid...

[skyrover]

It's a pity Russia wont listen

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-sy...

"United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra'ad al Hussein warned Russia on Tuesday over the use of incendiary weapons in Syria's besieged enclave of eastern Aleppo, and said crimes by one side did not justify illegal acts by the other.

Zeid said that the situation in Aleppo demanded bold new initiatives "including proposals to limit the use of the veto by the permanent members of the Security Council”, which would enable the U.N. body to refer the situation in Syria to the International Criminal Court (ICC)."

[skyrover]

Looks like gulags are back in vogue comrade

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37512356

[scherzkeks]

For all who may have forgotten: The Defense Intelligence Report leaked to the press in which the US desire to have an Al-Quaida (ISIS) controlled Islamic state in Syria and Iraq is revealed.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/20...

[frankenstein12]

scherzkeks said:

US now considering attacking Syrian government. Gotta save those Islamic fundies somehow. If Aleppo falls, ISIS was all for nothing

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-04/us-consid...

That would be the single stupidest thing ever but it would not surprise me if HC decided to try it.

Russia will not allow a no fly zone over Syria and there is little the US can do to enforce one as Russia has SA 23 and other anti missile and aircraft systems in Syria and should the US try anything they will find it very difficult and they will start world war 3,4 and 5 as Russia should never be underestimated.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/04/politics/russia-...

[scherzkeks]

frankenstein12 said:

scherzkeks said:

US now considering attacking Syrian government. Gotta save those Islamic fundies somehow. If Aleppo falls, ISIS was all for nothing

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-04/us-consid...

That would be the single stupidest thing ever but it would not surprise me if HC decided to try it.

Russia will not allow a no fly zone over Syria and there is little the US can do to enforce one as Russia has SA 23 and other anti missile and aircraft systems in Syria and should the US try anything they will find it very difficult and they will start world war 3,4 and 5 as Russia should never be underestimated.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/04/politics/russia-...

I agree. Stupid yes, but it fits perfectly with the trajectory we (America) are currently on.

That said, I am still trying to absorb all of this on some level. The fact that my government gave material support to one of the most brutal, atrocious entities to take the world stage in modern times is so perverse that I have no words for it. Despite my cynicism, and plenty of evidence, even I couldn't fully fathom it until recently. These are dark days.

Edited by scherzkeks on Tuesday 4th October 22:03

[skyrover]

scherzkeks said:

frankenstein12 said:

scherzkeks said:

US now considering attacking Syrian government. Gotta save those Islamic fundies somehow. If Aleppo falls, ISIS was all for nothing

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-04/us-consid...

That would be the single stupidest thing ever but it would not surprise me if HC decided to try it.

Russia will not allow a no fly zone over Syria and there is little the US can do to enforce one as Russia has SA 23 and other anti missile and aircraft systems in Syria and should the US try anything they will find it very difficult and they will start world war 3,4 and 5 as Russia should never be underestimated.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/04/politics/russia-...

I agree. Stupid yes, but it fits perfectly with the trajectory we (America) are currently on.

That said, I am still trying to absorb all of this on some level. The fact that my government gave material support to one of the most brutal, atrocious entities to take the world stage in modern times is so perverse that I have no words for it. Despite my cynicism, and plenty of evidence, even I couldn't fully fathom it until recently. These are dark days.

Edited by scherzkeks on Tuesday 4th October 22:03

Russia or USA?

[Cobnapint]

scherzkeks said:

Not really interested in your fantasy scenarios.

No, you get those kinda kicks from RT.

[Sylvaforever]

scherzkeks said:

frankenstein12 said:

scherzkeks said:

US now considering attacking Syrian government. Gotta save those Islamic fundies somehow. If Aleppo falls, ISIS was all for nothing

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-04/us-consid...

That would be the single stupidest thing ever but it would not surprise me if HC decided to try it.

Russia will not allow a no fly zone over Syria and there is little the US can do to enforce one as Russia has SA 23 and other anti missile and aircraft systems in Syria and should the US try anything they will find it very difficult and they will start world war 3,4 and 5 as Russia should never be underestimated.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/04/politics/russia-...

I agree. Stupid yes, but it fits perfectly with the trajectory we (America) are currently on.

That said, I am still trying to absorb all of this on some level. The fact that my government gave material support to one of the most brutal, atrocious entities to take the world stage in modern times is so perverse that I have no words for it. Despite my cynicism, and plenty of evidence, even I couldn't fully fathom it until recently. These are dark days.

Edited by scherzkeks on Tuesday 4th October 22:03

I sincerely hope that enough of the American people realise what a disaster Clinton would be on the world stage.

Like it or not we all need a US leader that can actual,y talk with Putin Trump might just be the one.

And if they are talking, they aren't killing.

[V8 Fettler]

The West bankrupted the USSR, the West now needs to bankrupt Russia.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

skyrover said:

Homemade?

Prove it... Sarin is not easy to make whatsoever, yet it is well established that Syria had large stockpiles of the agent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-239273...

Remember the Sarin attack in Tokyo, homemade is quite achievable, and oddly the gas attacks continue, even after an internationally confirmed destruction of the Syrian stockpiles.

I wonder why?

[QuantumTokoloshi]

skyrover said:

It's a pity Russia wont listen

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-sy...

"United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra'ad al Hussein warned Russia on Tuesday over the use of incendiary weapons in Syria's besieged enclave of eastern Aleppo, and said crimes by one side did not justify illegal acts by the other.

Zeid said that the situation in Aleppo demanded bold new initiatives "including proposals to limit the use of the veto by the permanent members of the Security Council”, which would enable the U.N. body to refer the situation in Syria to the International Criminal Court (ICC)."

Did Israel listen in Gaza?

Did the US military, when they gifted Fallujah a free fire zone for a USMC depleted Uranium visit?

Dresden and Tokyo remember the incendiary attacks well, likewise Hanoi.

No it is only this nasty Russian who do that.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 5th October 07:49

[skyrover]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

skyrover said:

Homemade?

Prove it... Sarin is not easy to make whatsoever, yet it is well established that Syria had large stockpiles of the agent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-239273...

Remember the Sarin attack in Tokyo, homemade is quite achievable, and oddly the gas attacks continue, even after an internationally confirmed destruction of the Syrian stockpiles.

I wonder why?

You might want to go tell the UN then

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-241301...

Edited by skyrover on Wednesday 5th October 08:22