War with Russia

[skyrover]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

skyrover said:

It's a pity Russia wont listen

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-sy...

"United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra'ad al Hussein warned Russia on Tuesday over the use of incendiary weapons in Syria's besieged enclave of eastern Aleppo, and said crimes by one side did not justify illegal acts by the other.

Zeid said that the situation in Aleppo demanded bold new initiatives "including proposals to limit the use of the veto by the permanent members of the Security Council”, which would enable the U.N. body to refer the situation in Syria to the International Criminal Court (ICC)."

Did Israel listen in Gaza?

Did the US military, when they gifted Fallujah a free fire zone for a USMC depleted Uranium visit?

Dresden and Tokyo remember the incendiary attacks well, likewise Hanoi.

No it is only this nasty Russian who do that.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 5th October 07:49

More Soviet style "whataboutism"... classic Tokoloshi

[Oceanic]

rallycross said:

Not true maybe you need to start reading some wider news reporting ie non USA biased reporting .

I do read many sources, but it is not like I can read RT today is it now!!

I stand by my statement.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

skyrover said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

skyrover said:

Homemade?

Prove it... Sarin is not easy to make whatsoever, yet it is well established that Syria had large stockpiles of the agent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-239273...

Remember the Sarin attack in Tokyo, homemade is quite achievable, and oddly the gas attacks continue, even after an internationally confirmed destruction of the Syrian stockpiles.

I wonder why?

You might want to go tell the UN then

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-241301...

Edited by skyrover on Wednesday 5th October 08:22

Looks like someone did.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-un-mission-repo...

[matsoc]

rallycross said:

Oceanic said:

^ Exacty!

Putin is the nut job in the room.

Not true maybe you need to start reading some wider news reporting ie non USA biased reporting .

I agree Putin being the nut job in the room but I am curious, where are these not USA biased reporting? Not some ridicolous conspiracy link on zerohedege...something a bit more reliable...

[frankenstein12]

matsoc said:

rallycross said:

Oceanic said:

^ Exacty!

Putin is the nut job in the room.

Not true maybe you need to start reading some wider news reporting ie non USA biased reporting .

I agree Putin being the nut job in the room but I am curious, where are these not USA biased reporting? Not some ridicolous conspiracy link on zerohedege...something a bit more reliable...

It's a long video but worth watching. US Peace council report on Syria.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8JppJyVxYU

After the last elections there was another group who stated the elections were free and fair which was ignored.

[skyrover]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

skyrover said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

skyrover said:

Homemade?

Prove it... Sarin is not easy to make whatsoever, yet it is well established that Syria had large stockpiles of the agent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-239273...

Remember the Sarin attack in Tokyo, homemade is quite achievable, and oddly the gas attacks continue, even after an internationally confirmed destruction of the Syrian stockpiles.

I wonder why?

You might want to go tell the UN then

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-241301...

Edited by skyrover on Wednesday 5th October 08:22

Looks like someone did.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-un-mission-repo...

Globalresearch is an anti-"Western" website that can't distinguish between serious analysis and discreditable junk -- and so publishes both. It's basically the moonbat equivalent to Infowars or WND.

While some of GlobalResearch's articles discuss legitimate humanitarian concerns, its view of science, economics, and geopolitics is conspiracist -- if something goes wrong, the Jews West didit! The site has long been a crank magnet: If you disagree with "Western" sources on 9/11, or HAARP, or vaccines, or H1N1, or climate change, or anything published by the "mainstream" media, then GlobalResearch is guaranteed to have a page you will love.

The website (under the domain names globalresearch.ca(link), .org(link), and .com(link)) is run by the Montreal-based non-profit The Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG) founded by Michel Chossudovsky,[2][3] a former professor of economics at the University of Ottawa.[4]

Whenever someone makes a remarkable claim and cites GlobalResearch, they are almost certainly wrong.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch

[scherzkeks]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

skyrover said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

skyrover said:

Homemade?

Prove it... Sarin is not easy to make whatsoever, yet it is well established that Syria had large stockpiles of the agent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-239273...

Remember the Sarin attack in Tokyo, homemade is quite achievable, and oddly the gas attacks continue, even after an internationally confirmed destruction of the Syrian stockpiles.

I wonder why?

You might want to go tell the UN then

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-241301...

Edited by skyrover on Wednesday 5th October 08:22

Looks like someone did.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-un-mission-repo...

Good ol' Sy Hersh.

Edited by scherzkeks on Wednesday 5th October 21:42

[QuantumTokoloshi]

skyrover said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

skyrover said:

It's a pity Russia wont listen

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-sy...

"United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra'ad al Hussein warned Russia on Tuesday over the use of incendiary weapons in Syria's besieged enclave of eastern Aleppo, and said crimes by one side did not justify illegal acts by the other.

Zeid said that the situation in Aleppo demanded bold new initiatives "including proposals to limit the use of the veto by the permanent members of the Security Council”, which would enable the U.N. body to refer the situation in Syria to the International Criminal Court (ICC)."

Did Israel listen in Gaza?

Did the US military, when they gifted Fallujah a free fire zone for a USMC depleted Uranium visit?

Dresden and Tokyo remember the incendiary attacks well, likewise Hanoi.

No it is only this nasty Russian who do that.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 5th October 07:49

More Soviet style "whataboutism"... classic Tokoloshi

More blind Neo-con Fanboism.

[skyrover]

Russia suspends nuclear agreement, ends uranium research pact with United States

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-russia-usa-nuclea...

That's two nuclear agreements in one week.

[6th Gear]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/rus...

Nothing on BBC.

[pim]

Honest reporting won't happen.It is now the West against the East.Russia and Assad are the baddies and we are the goodies.

It is like a freak show.Of course there is tremendous tension in the world and which way it is going we don't know.The second world war started in the thirties it is a slow build up.Let's hope the idiots in charge come to their senses otherwise we end up with Mel Brooks in Bartertown.

[Atomic12C]

Wonder if anyone can fill in the blanks below:

According to BBC-Sky-US based media:

Good guys......-....Bad guys
USA Regime.....-....Russian Regime
Turkey Regime..-....Syrian Regime
Al Queada......-....Iran
ISIS...........-....Hezbollah
....................Kurds

Is the above correct?

So with the USA 'supporting' ISIS and 'supporting' Al Queada, either directly or indirectly via Turkey, wouldn't it be correct to state that Russia are fully entitled to go "all-out" against the USA within the Syrian war theater?


Shouldn't the USA just sit back on their desire for regime change to let the civil war come to a faster end, in which it would then be an easier process to collaborate with Russia in order to process Assad for any war crime charges put to him?


At present both Russia and the USA are strengthening their opposition to each other with what looks like inevitable USA vs Russia forces coming in to direct contact.
This is then pretty much a precursor for war between the two superpowers.


As a 'responsible adult' within the whole debacle, shouldn't the UK being trying to bring the USA to account, instead of blindly following their total mis-management and lack of any coherent foreign policy on the region?

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Atomic12C said:

Wonder if anyone can fill in the blanks below:

According to BBC-Sky-US based media:

Good guys......-....Bad guys
USA Regime.....-....Russian Regime
Turkey Regime..-....Syrian Regime
Al Queada......-....Iran
ISIS...........-....Hezbollah
....................Kurds

Is the above correct?

So with the USA 'supporting' ISIS and 'supporting' Al Queada, either directly or indirectly via Turkey, wouldn't it be correct to state that Russia are fully entitled to go "all-out" against the USA within the Syrian war theater?


Shouldn't the USA just sit back on their desire for regime change to let the civil war come to a faster end, in which it would then be an easier process to collaborate with Russia in order to process Assad for any war crime charges put to him?


At present both Russia and the USA are strengthening their opposition to each other with what looks like inevitable USA vs Russia forces coming in to direct contact.
This is then pretty much a precursor for war between the two superpowers.


As a 'responsible adult' within the whole debacle, shouldn't the UK being trying to bring the USA to account, instead of blindly following their total mis-management and lack of any coherent foreign policy on the region?

Do not bring logic to this argument, madness will result.

You are missing Israel, who will happily let the war continue, no winner, just prolonged war is the ideal outcome for them.

Weakening Iranian influence, weakening Assad, weakening and taking the focus of Hezbollah away from Israel but not letting the Salafist fundamentalists win either. Saudi and Qatar have control of them in any case.

Kurds are both good and bad guys, Turks are no fans of the Kurds, and have been fighting them in Northern Syria but the US has been supporting them in Syria and Iraq.

Hard to make sense of the mess.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 6th October 19:21

[dudleybloke]

Yes, Israel wants to make their flag a reality.

[discusdave]

an important piece of information lately, i.e. the apparent Russian missile strike on a foreign intelligence "operations center" in Syria, killing 30 Israeli, American, Qatari and Saudi intelligence officers. It explains why the American neocons are furious, and the change of tone of Trump and his VP on Russia (apparently Trump has been briefed on an imminent strike against Assad, and doesn't want to appear unamerican when it happens).

The Russian attack took place in the immediate aftermath of the Americans bombing the Syria army "by mistake" 2 weeks ago. And because the intelligence officers (especially Israeli) aren't supposed to be in Syria, and perhaps because they know it was a just retaliation against their own bombardement, the western governments/MSM are not acknowledging/reporting the strike.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

skyrover said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

skyrover said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

skyrover said:

Homemade?

Prove it... Sarin is not easy to make whatsoever, yet it is well established that Syria had large stockpiles of the agent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-239273...

Remember the Sarin attack in Tokyo, homemade is quite achievable, and oddly the gas attacks continue, even after an internationally confirmed destruction of the Syrian stockpiles.

I wonder why?

You might want to go tell the UN then

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-241301...

Edited by skyrover on Wednesday 5th October 08:22

Looks like someone did.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-un-mission-repo...

Globalresearch is an anti-"Western" website that can't distinguish between serious analysis and discreditable junk -- and so publishes both. It's basically the moonbat equivalent to Infowars or WND.

While some of GlobalResearch's articles discuss legitimate humanitarian concerns, its view of science, economics, and geopolitics is conspiracist -- if something goes wrong, the Jews West didit! The site has long been a crank magnet: If you disagree with "Western" sources on 9/11, or HAARP, or vaccines, or H1N1, or climate change, or anything published by the "mainstream" media, then GlobalResearch is guaranteed to have a page you will love.

The website (under the domain names globalresearch.ca(link), .org(link), and .com(link)) is run by the Montreal-based non-profit The Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG) founded by Michel Chossudovsky,[2][3] a former professor of economics at the University of Ottawa.[4]

Whenever someone makes a remarkable claim and cites GlobalResearch, they are almost certainly wrong.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch

I agree global research has some funky ideas on various subjects, but do you dispute the analysis and quoted parts of the article?

Zero hedge also has its fair share of wooooo articles, but it also has good coverage of the Syrian conflict.

Reading as widely as possible, gives a better perspective, be that the conventional sources, but also unconventional sources are a good sounding board for information.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 6th October 21:39

[QuantumTokoloshi]

discusdave said:

an important piece of information lately, i.e. the apparent Russian missile strike on a foreign intelligence "operations center" in Syria, killing 30 Israeli, American, Qatari and Saudi intelligence officers. It explains why the American neocons are furious, and the change of tone of Trump and his VP on Russia (apparently Trump has been briefed on an imminent strike against Assad, and doesn't want to appear unamerican when it happens).

The Russian attack took place in the immediate aftermath of the Americans bombing the Syria army "by mistake" 2 weeks ago. And because the intelligence officers (especially Israeli) aren't supposed to be in Syria, and perhaps because they know it was a just retaliation against their own bombardement, the western governments/MSM are not acknowledging/reporting the strike.

I have seen that, but there has been very little subsequent info available, so either it is a piece of misinformation or very good operational security.

Not sure which it is, but tend towards misinformation as that would have more info leaks if true.

[discusdave]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

discusdave said:

an important piece of information lately, i.e. the apparent Russian missile strike on a foreign intelligence "operations center" in Syria, killing 30 Israeli, American, Qatari and Saudi intelligence officers. It explains why the American neocons are furious, and the change of tone of Trump and his VP on Russia (apparently Trump has been briefed on an imminent strike against Assad, and doesn't want to appear unamerican when it happens).

The Russian attack took place in the immediate aftermath of the Americans bombing the Syria army "by mistake" 2 weeks ago. And because the intelligence officers (especially Israeli) aren't supposed to be in Syria, and perhaps because they know it was a just retaliation against their own bombardement, the western governments/MSM are not acknowledging/reporting the strike.

I have seen that, but there has been very little subsequent info available, so either it is a piece of misinformation or very good operational security.

Not sure which it is, but tend towards misinformation as that would have more info leaks if true.

source http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=1395063100...

http://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopi...

http://www.pravdareport.com/video/23-09-2016/13569...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-coalition-intelli...

here is the Washington post talking about potus considering strikes

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/...

the Russian general warning US planes will be shot down if they target the Syrian army. My favourite quote from the statement: "The radius of the weapons reach [S-300/S-400] may be a surprise to all unidentified flying objects".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ0cTxABUY8

Edited by discusdave on Thursday 6th October 21:04

Edited by discusdave on Thursday 6th October 21:05

[QuantumTokoloshi]

This entire mess is escalating dangerously, and having the two main actors not talking is bad. All it takes is one miscalculation and we have a full blown war between nuclear armed nations.

The instability and unpredictability of the allies makes this a more dangerous situation than a binary standoff, like the Cuban missile crisis.

[hidetheelephants]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

This entire mess is escalating dangerously, and having the two main actors not talking is bad. All it takes is one miscalculation and we have a full blown war between nuclear armed nations.

The instability and unpredictability of the allies makes this a more dangerous situation than a binary standoff, like the Cuban missile crisis.

Perhaps the russians could have considered the wisdom of immolating a UN aid convoy?