War with Russia
Discussion
skyrover said:
I'm not sure I would be too concerned about Nukes considering the huge fuss the Russians are making about the limited sanctions currently applied.
Any nuclear strike would unite the globe against Russia... sanctions, arrest warrants, asset seizures... they would quickly run out of friends.
yeah because all the countries would rush to anger someone who is willing to throw nukes around, sureAny nuclear strike would unite the globe against Russia... sanctions, arrest warrants, asset seizures... they would quickly run out of friends.
AreOut said:
skyrover said:
I'm not sure I would be too concerned about Nukes considering the huge fuss the Russians are making about the limited sanctions currently applied.
Any nuclear strike would unite the globe against Russia... sanctions, arrest warrants, asset seizures... they would quickly run out of friends.
yeah because all the countries would rush to anger someone who is willing to throw nukes around, sureAny nuclear strike would unite the globe against Russia... sanctions, arrest warrants, asset seizures... they would quickly run out of friends.
The Russian leadership likes being rich, powerful and alive.
AreOut said:
there wasn't direct confrontation between US&Russia during CW however if US wants to impose NFZ in Syria there will have to be
we'll see how that will pan out after elections, I hope she is just lying as always but I wouldn't rely on that
Wrong the cuban missile crisis and russia backed downwe'll see how that will pan out after elections, I hope she is just lying as always but I wouldn't rely on that
As odd as it sounds I've a feeling that Trump and Putin would have a workable relationship / far superior than what would be a non existent Clinton.
Both sides want to destroy ISiS.
No one really knows for sure which method will succeed.
West are backing terrorist groups, while Russia backs Assad
Both sides have killed innocents
West have pushed NATO to the front door of Russia - for no apparent reason which has resulted in further tensions.
EU totally failed Ukraine and refused to make any decision about it leading to Russia deciding to make a decision instead.
Who shot down MH17? Who shot down that Iranian passenger jet?
Again potentially both sides have made fatal errors and both refused to admit it
Obama has been in power 2 terms and frankly his lack of respect and refusal to build strong relations with Russia is telling.
Russia told us not to go into Iraq - we did and Russia were right (be it luck or genuine logic).
Russia told us not to go into Libya - they were right
Russia told us not to go into Afghanistan - they were right.
Frankly the situation were drifting towards is exactly what the terrorists would love to happen. Focus away from them so they can breed more
Both sides want to destroy ISiS.
No one really knows for sure which method will succeed.
West are backing terrorist groups, while Russia backs Assad
Both sides have killed innocents
West have pushed NATO to the front door of Russia - for no apparent reason which has resulted in further tensions.
EU totally failed Ukraine and refused to make any decision about it leading to Russia deciding to make a decision instead.
Who shot down MH17? Who shot down that Iranian passenger jet?
Again potentially both sides have made fatal errors and both refused to admit it
Obama has been in power 2 terms and frankly his lack of respect and refusal to build strong relations with Russia is telling.
Russia told us not to go into Iraq - we did and Russia were right (be it luck or genuine logic).
Russia told us not to go into Libya - they were right
Russia told us not to go into Afghanistan - they were right.
Frankly the situation were drifting towards is exactly what the terrorists would love to happen. Focus away from them so they can breed more
citizensm1th said:
Wrong the cuban missile crisis and russia backed down
Syria is much closer to Russia than Cuba is, and IIRC US didn't fire on russian forces they backed down for other reasons. Namely because US backed down too and pulled their missiles from Turkey.It's called sensible politics but unfortunately HRC is not Kennedy...only hoping US generals will tell the stupid b
h they dont want to be ones to cause WW3 or senate/house will veto her decisions.5ohmustang said:
Russians told to bring back children from abroad immediately.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/russian-g...
That isn't what the article says; it says government employees must do this, although from comments elsewhere it's more about bonkers ideas of cultural purity than the prospect of war. An obvious effect is that being a russian diplomat has just become much less family-friendly, so the quality will go down as people seek other jobs.http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/russian-g...
hidetheelephants said:
5ohmustang said:
Russians told to bring back children from abroad immediately.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/russian-g...
That isn't what the article says; it says government employees must do this, although from comments elsewhere it's more about bonkers ideas of cultural purity than the prospect of war. An obvious effect is that being a russian diplomat has just become much less family-friendly, so the quality will go down as people seek other jobs.http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/russian-g...
Kawasicki said:
The whole NATO thing confuses me...why is he bothered what NATO do outside of Russian territory?
He's not called Paranoid Putin for nothing.He still thinks the cold war is on - it's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy with him.
I think he must sit bolt upright in bed in the middle of the night having nightmares about US tanks rolling across the Ukrainian border.
Instead he rolled his over theirs.
1. Why the hell would NATO suddenly attack Russia - what would be the motive. Logical answer: they wouldn't, they have no reason whatsoever.
Putin's brain: We are being surrounded - they're out to get us.
2. If they were so stupid, they'd almost certainly guarantee the annihilation of everything we've built up since WW2
Putin's brain: I'm gonna take this lot to the brink, I've ordered loads more warheads, carried out a nuclear attack practice with 40 million people, and asked my Kremlin commentators to talk about the distinct possibility of freely using nuclear weapons.
Cobnapint said:
Kawasicki said:
The whole NATO thing confuses me...why is he bothered what NATO do outside of Russian territory?
He's not called Paranoid Putin for nothing.He still thinks the cold war is on - it's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy with him.
I think he must sit bolt upright in bed in the middle of the night having nightmares about US tanks rolling across the Ukrainian border.
Instead he rolled his over theirs.
1. Why the hell would NATO suddenly attack Russia - what would be the motive. Logical answer: they wouldn't, they have no reason whatsoever.
Putin's brain: We are being surrounded - they're out to get us.
2. If they were so stupid, they'd almost certainly guarantee the annihilation of everything we've built up since WW2
Putin's brain: I'm gonna take this lot to the brink, I've ordered loads more warheads, carried out a nuclear attack practice with 40 million people, and asked my Kremlin commentators to talk about the distinct possibility of freely using nuclear weapons.
America broke those agreements and NATO and the US have been steadily encroaching on Russia's border with weapons and shields.
They have also been flying recon flights near and over Russia for years after Russia stopped flying its own recon flights.
As Putin says Russia spent years working to get access to WTO and working to abide by their rules. As soon as they got entry sanctions were applied nullifying the point of it all.
The US in particular but other western governments as well have for the longest time even after Russia started playing nice been making Russia out to be the bad guy every time there is an opportunity to do so.
Russia therefore is understandably suspicious of the motivations of the western governments and unwilling to trust them.
we have had a spell of reasonable calm - the hostility died between the east and the west, we got on okay for a but then the old issues start to rise again. the yanks are trying to keep control of world business he controls the dollar controls the economy. Anyone that has challenged this has ended up dead.
look through history and you can see it riddled....
John F. Kennedy vs The Federal Reserve
Saddam Hussain
Colonel Gadaffi
people that pushed the envelop, yeah there is some thing there, anything that risks the dominance of the dollar.
were sitting on a power keg here, and in all honesty I think that there will be a war. Its getting closer and closer. backing Russia into a corner really isnt wise as the bear will fight back. Start shooting planes down in Syria and lo and behold dont be surprised if Russia takes out the aircraft carrier that the planes came from. Id say that they would nuke it as a major back off and stop it. Time to take stock at that point. the yanks cant keep messing about in other peoples affairs.
look through history and you can see it riddled....
John F. Kennedy vs The Federal Reserve
Saddam Hussain
Colonel Gadaffi
people that pushed the envelop, yeah there is some thing there, anything that risks the dominance of the dollar.
were sitting on a power keg here, and in all honesty I think that there will be a war. Its getting closer and closer. backing Russia into a corner really isnt wise as the bear will fight back. Start shooting planes down in Syria and lo and behold dont be surprised if Russia takes out the aircraft carrier that the planes came from. Id say that they would nuke it as a major back off and stop it. Time to take stock at that point. the yanks cant keep messing about in other peoples affairs.
frankenstein12 said:
Actually I can see Putins reasoning. The US NATO and Russia had various agreements many years back designed to avoid any form of antagonism between each other.
America broke those agreements and NATO and the US have been steadily encroaching on Russia's border with weapons and shields.
They have also been flying recon flights near and over Russia for years after Russia stopped flying its own recon flights.
As Putin says Russia spent years working to get access to WTO and working to abide by their rules. As soon as they got entry sanctions were applied nullifying the point of it all.
The US in particular but other western governments as well have for the longest time even after Russia started playing nice been making Russia out to be the bad guy every time there is an opportunity to do so.
Russia therefore is understandably suspicious of the motivations of the western governments and unwilling to trust them.
Overflights? I'm not aware of any overflights being talked about since the 1960s; Gary Powers rather brought that to an end. The Daily Mail regularly updates us when some Bears come out to play, or if they've managed to get them airworthy Blackjacks.America broke those agreements and NATO and the US have been steadily encroaching on Russia's border with weapons and shields.
They have also been flying recon flights near and over Russia for years after Russia stopped flying its own recon flights.
As Putin says Russia spent years working to get access to WTO and working to abide by their rules. As soon as they got entry sanctions were applied nullifying the point of it all.
The US in particular but other western governments as well have for the longest time even after Russia started playing nice been making Russia out to be the bad guy every time there is an opportunity to do so.
Russia therefore is understandably suspicious of the motivations of the western governments and unwilling to trust them.
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