War with Russia

[AreOut]

Rogue86 said:

Do you have any sources with regards the 'antimissile defense on site'?

yes they have pantzirs and even antiballistic system has been dispatched (S300 PV or something like that)

there are pictures on various military forums

[Cobnapint]

hidetheelephants said:

AreOut said:

Cobnapint said:

Ukraine should have been allowed to think for itself, but he told them how to think.

dude Russia can't allow Ukraine to become part of NATO the same way US would never allow Mexico to become part of some russian pact

it's called geostrategy

No, it's called a strawman; no-one sensible suggested Ukraine be invited to join NATO and as far as I'm aware Ukraine didn't ask about it, at least before the balloon went up. After the little green men appeared perhaps the subject was raised, although I suspect there's still little appetite for it in Kiev or at NATO HQ.

And anyway, why would a Russian President be worried that a former Soviet nation wanted to defend itself against attack by joining a defensive entity like NATO...?

Good on 'em, he should be saying. It's a bit of insurance for some of our old Russian speaking friends and as I've said before, I don't want another Cold War comrades, that's long gone.

The reason he doesn't want Ukraine in NATO.......?

He wants it back for himself.

[skyrover]

It's probably safe to say Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are thanking their lucky stars they joined NATO.

A fairly good likelihood little green men would have been turning up in their Russian speaking neighborhoods too.

[Cobnapint]

skyrover said:

It's probably safe to say Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are thanking their lucky stars they joined NATO.

A fairly good likelihood little green men would have been turning up in their Russian speaking neighborhoods too.

Quite.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/679357/Russian...

[AreOut]

Russia doesn't have important military base there and those countries do not suppress russian minority so they have nothing to worry about. In case Russia would want to go to the west to conquer Europe they'll just go around them through Ukraine, no need to waste resources on them.

[Cobnapint]

AreOut said:

Russia doesn't have important military base there...

Not yet. Why was he conducting unannounced military drills in that region.? Just like he did on the borders of Ukraine.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/r...

[AreOut]

because they do that every year or two, it's what militaries do

[Rogue86]

AreOut said:

yes they have pantzirs and even antiballistic system has been dispatched (S300 PV or something like that)

there are pictures on various military forums

Ah OK, thanks also Scoobman for the link. I'll try to get around to absorbing that a little later.

Coalition forces do have solutions for the Eastern AA network (it's the reason current-gen aircraft even exist to be honest, we certainly don't need them to counter RPGs!) but realistically let's all just hope they're never put to the test.

[AreOut]

Rogue86 said:

Ah OK, thanks also Scoobman for the link. I'll try to get around to absorbing that a little later.

Coalition forces do have solutions for the Eastern AA network (it's the reason current-gen aircraft even exist to be honest, we certainly don't need them to counter RPGs!) but realistically let's all just hope they're never put to the test.

the only solution is launching bunch of long-range missiles toward them, you don't need stealth aircraft for that and ships are much better suited for massive missile launches anyway

[Rogue86]

AreOut said:

the only solution is launching bunch of long-range missiles toward them, you don't need stealth aircraft for that and ships are much better suited for massive missile launches anyway

That's a bit of a sledgehammer-approach to be honest and not the way I would imagine will play out in reality.

[AreOut]

there is no other one unless USA has a secret weapon to surprise them

[skyrover]

AreOut said:

Russia doesn't have important military base there and those countries do not suppress russian minority so they have nothing to worry about. In case Russia would want to go to the west to conquer Europe they'll just go around them through Ukraine, no need to waste resources on them.

Russia has long protested about "ethnic exclusion" of Russian speaking minorities, left in limbo after the end of the cold war. They are a convenient thorn in the Baltic nations collective sides.

http://qz.com/344521/in-estonia-life-is-good-maybe...

Russia would have massively increased control of the Baltic corridor if it could annex these territories.

Luckily it's much harder for the Russians to convince the world that ethnic minorities are being "oppressed" in these states where they enjoy a quality of life significantly better than Russia itself.

Edited by skyrover on Friday 14th October 11:30

[AreOut]

skyrover said:

Luckily it's much harder for the Russians to convince the world that ethnic minorities are being "oppressed" in these states where they enjoy a quality of life significantly better than Russia itself.

Edited by skyrover on Friday 14th October 11:30

that's right, Russians in those countries don't want or don't care about living in Russia, those in Ukraine however...

[skyrover]

AreOut said:

skyrover said:

Luckily it's much harder for the Russians to convince the world that ethnic minorities are being "oppressed" in these states where they enjoy a quality of life significantly better than Russia itself.

Edited by skyrover on Friday 14th October 11:30

that's right, Russians in those countries don't want or don't care about living in Russia, those in Ukraine however...

... are much easier to manipulate, playing on nationalist sensibilities.

Ukraine could learn/achieve much by emulating the methods employed by Estonia.... though in many regards the horse has already bolted.

[Rogue86]

AreOut said:

there is no other one unless USA has a secret weapon to surprise them

Without getting too much into it - there are tactics employed by both the USAF and RAF that counter the Russian AA defence network using current equipment.

[AreOut]

and they all rely on brute force launch 100 and hope 10 will go through tactics

the way they'll launch them is not that important

[coanda]

AreOut said:

and they all rely on brute force launch 100 and hope 10 will go through tactics

the way they'll launch them is not that important

Barrage launching missiles is a tactic which could be viable in certain situations. There are plenty of ways to skin this particular cat.

[Budflicker]

coanda said:

Barrage launching missiles is a tactic which could be viable in certain situations. There are plenty of ways to skin this particular cat.

That sounds like a fun day out for the SAS/SBS boys.

[Rogue86]

AreOut said:

and they all rely on brute force launch 100 and hope 10 will go through tactics

the way they'll launch them is not that important

No, they dont.

[superkartracer]

Rogue86 said:

AreOut said:

there is no other one unless USA has a secret weapon to surprise them

Without getting too much into it - there are tactics employed by both the USAF and RAF that counter the Russian AA defence network using current equipment.

Do the USAF shoot down the RAF? , that might work.

They won't do a single thing against these Russia systems, as they can't.