Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

[anonymous-user]

andy_s said:

Load of old bks.

Gutter press

one point that is not really spoken about which may or may not validate the fire scenario is another plane made contact with mh370 and received a mumbling reply, but at least contact was made after the transponder was turned off.

[Steffan]

The Spruce goose said:

andy_s said:

Load of old bks.

Gutter press

one point that is not really spoken about which may or may not validate the fire scenario is another plane made contact with mh370 and received a mumbling reply, but at least contact was made after the transponder was turned off.

Not heard that before is there perhaps any reference to validate the claim? Could well be pivotal depending on when the transmission was received if it is substantiated. It could confirm or otherwise a later time when the plane was still at least partly under control. Very interesting snippet indeed..

[anonymous-user]

Steffan said:

Not heard that before is there perhaps any reference to validate the claim? Could well be pivotal depending on when the transmission was received if it is substantiated. It could confirm or otherwise a later time when the plane was still at least partly under control. Very interesting snippet indeed..

from nearly a month ago but not mentioned a lot.

http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/font-color-re...

"We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace.
"The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot.

"There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end.
"That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection," he told the New Sunday Times.

[Steffan]

The Spruce goose said:

Steffan said:

Not heard that before is there perhaps any reference to validate the claim? Could well be pivotal depending on when the transmission was received if it is substantiated. It could confirm or otherwise a later time when the plane was still at least partly under control. Very interesting snippet indeed..

from nearly a month ago but not mentioned a lot.

http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/font-color-re...

"We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace.
"The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot.

"There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end.
"That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection," he told the New Sunday Times.

I do appreciate the prompt reply. I wonder why there was no referral to this by the Malaysian authorities? Hopefully in time a complete timeline of confirmed conversations and events from the plane and searchers will be decduced. I still believe anoxia and autopilot are the most probable explanation for this tragedy but until more definite information is available there can be no certainties. The search may well be a very long affair given the extreme depth of the ocean and the current lack of definitive confirmation as to the definite location of the remains.

[dfen5]

Few things:

1, If it had broken up (at any height) before hitting the water there would have been wreckage on the surface so it was almost certainly intact when it hit the water.

2, If it had hit the water at anything other than a gentle landing speed it would have broken up, and debris would be seen.

3, If it had have been intact when it gently 'hit' the water, if any of the passengers had been capable before it sunk they would have been at the doors trying to get out - it would have taken a few minutes to go down, like the plane that landed in the Hudson.

4, Little has been said of the expected flight time. If it had been flying for longer than the expected, the passengers and none-cockpit crew would have known something was very wrong, and I'd be surprised if they sat there quietly waiting.

Definitely a massive effort to conceal the plane's final resting place. Seems to me to be suicide with a reason. Person on passenger list or cargo? either way, terrible for the collateral damage.

[TTmonkey]

With the lack of surface debris and now the batteries no longer powering the black boxes, I'm highly sceptical of them ever finding the wreckage or establishing the real reason for this whole disappearance.

Which I suspect is the very reason for it all..... The person/organisation responsible for this wants it that way.

A new kind of terror... For the surviving relatives and the travelling public....

[Steffan]

TTmonkey said:

With the lack of surface debris and now the batteries no longer powering the black boxes, I'm highly sceptical of them ever finding the wreckage or establishing the real reason for this whole disappearance.

Which I suspect is the very reason for it all..... The person/organisation responsible for this wants it that way.

A new kind of terror... For the surviving relatives and the travelling public....

Sadly I share that doubt. Time will tell but the orchestration of the media management and absolute lack of any physical evidence do beg the question. Equally this is a hell of a job and very difficult given the depths and isolation and failing whether. I certainly do not expect a rapid discovery but I do hope so for the bereaved.

[Ken Sington]

This might have been asked previously but I am not wading through 70 odd pages to find out; are the oceans of the world not full of hunter killer submarines stooging about that have the capability of hearing a cod burp 100 miles away, and what's more, being able to tell what it had for breakfast? Surely one of those would do a better job of locating the source of the pings than a surface ship?

Or is this just another Robert Ludlum Bourne type lllusion regarding surveillance capabilities?

[TTmonkey]

Things are only heard by someone listening. The southen Indian Ocean isn't particularly important to any country, there's no major powers contesting the area and I would not be surprised to hear that at the time there wasn't a submarine from the major powers within 2000 miles.....

[thehawk]

TTmonkey said:

A new kind of terror... For the surviving relatives and the travelling public....

I think people have already forgotten, not much terror out at all amongst the traveling public. In the absence of threats and claims of responsibility it's just another extremely rare plane crash, albeit still a mystery.

[Steffan]

Ken Sington said:

This might have been asked previously but I am not wading through 70 odd pages to find out; are the oceans of the world not full of hunter killer submarines stooging about that have the capability of hearing a cod burp 100 miles away, and what's more, being able to tell what it had for breakfast? Surely one of those would do a better job of locating the source of the pings than a surface ship?

Or is this just another Robert Ludlum Bourne type lllusion regarding surveillance capabilities?

There are a number of ways in which this search could be extended and improved and specialist submarines are indeed one such. One of the disquieting features of this case has been the apparent manipulation of the media by various organisations for whatever reasons. Remeber how long it took for the actual route of the plane to be established. I think a long wait is coming. Whether the remains are ever found remains to be seen. I would think months certainly and possibly some years.. Time will tell.

[B17NNS]

Teams searching for flight MH370 find an oil slick in the area where "pings" possibly from a black box were detected.

http://news.sky.com/story/1241978/mini-sub-to-join...

[EskimoArapaho]

thehawk said:

TTmonkey said:

A new kind of terror... For the surviving relatives and the travelling public....

I think people have already forgotten, not much terror out at all amongst the traveling public. In the absence of threats and claims of responsibility it's just another extremely rare plane crash, albeit still a mystery.

This. Terrorism without anyone claiming and confirming ownership of it would be ineffective. Choosing a method that looks like a crash especially so.

[TTmonkey]

thehawk said:

TTmonkey said:

A new kind of terror... For the surviving relatives and the travelling public....

I think people have already forgotten, not much terror out at all amongst the traveling public. In the absence of threats and claims of responsibility it's just another extremely rare plane crash, albeit still a mystery.

It's called "the long game". What will he public think in two years time when it's happened 6, 7 or 8 times....? They will start getting anxious about long distance travel.... No one likes the unexplained.

9/11 was planned and implemented over a number of years. Perhaps we are seeing the first parts of this unfolding.

Just an idea, to try to give some kind of reason to an incident that so far, after weeks of investigation, no one has put any solid answers to.

[slartibartfast]

I've heard it mentioned a few times via the media 'cyber terror' regards to MH370...I know they can hack into a UAV but an passenger aircraft?

Edited by slartibartfast on Monday 14th April 16:14

[anonymous-user]

TTmonkey said:

thehawk said:

TTmonkey said:

A new kind of terror... For the surviving relatives and the travelling public....

I think people have already forgotten, not much terror out at all amongst the traveling public. In the absence of threats and claims of responsibility it's just another extremely rare plane crash, albeit still a mystery.

It's called "the long game". What will he public think in two years time when it's happened 6, 7 or 8 times....? They will start getting anxious about long distance travel.... No one likes the unexplained.

9/11 was planned and implemented over a number of years. Perhaps we are seeing the first parts of this unfolding.

Just an idea, to try to give some kind of reason to an incident that so far, after weeks of investigation, no one has put any solid answers to.

Do they also all have tin foil hats like yourself?

[durbster]

TTmonkey said:

It's called "the long game". What will he public think in two years time when it's happened 6, 7 or 8 times....? They will start getting anxious about long distance travel.... No one likes the unexplained.

9/11 was planned and implemented over a number of years. Perhaps we are seeing the first parts of this unfolding.

Yes but 9/11 was done for a reason. The point of terrorism is to unsettle and disrupt an otherwise untouchable power, or to draw attention to a cause. It's not done just for the sake of making people scared. What would be the point of that?

[Ali G]

Ken Sington said:

This might have been asked previously but I am not wading through 70 odd pages to find out; are the oceans of the world not full of hunter killer submarines stooging about that have the capability of hearing a cod burp 100 miles away, and what's more, being able to tell what it had for breakfast? Surely one of those would do a better job of locating the source of the pings than a surface ship?

Or is this just another Robert Ludlum Bourne type lllusion regarding surveillance capabilities?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomrogan/1002668...

Plausible?

[andy_s]

Ali G said:

Ken Sington said:

This might have been asked previously but I am not wading through 70 odd pages to find out; are the oceans of the world not full of hunter killer submarines stooging about that have the capability of hearing a cod burp 100 miles away, and what's more, being able to tell what it had for breakfast? Surely one of those would do a better job of locating the source of the pings than a surface ship?

Or is this just another Robert Ludlum Bourne type lllusion regarding surveillance capabilities?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomrogan/1002668...

Plausible?

Almost certainly classified technology from disparate powers that the countries in question want to keep, ironically, below the radar.

It's not a conspiracy theory, it's just common sense and we shouldn't expect to know all the details, obviously.

Journalists and bloggers will exploit this as some sort of inside knowledge or unseen hand/dark knowledge. It's nothing more than just how things work and nothing to get too excited about.

[andy_s]

TTmonkey said:

It's called "the long game". What will he public think in two years time when it's happened 6, 7 or 8 times....? They will start getting anxious about long distance travel.... No one likes the unexplained.

9/11 was planned and implemented over a number of years. Perhaps we are seeing the first parts of this unfolding.

Just an idea, to try to give some kind of reason to an incident that so far, after weeks of investigation, no one has put any solid answers to.

I think it's the 'talking out of your arse' game.

There're easy explanations for the incident if we consider the human mind to be the most fallible piece of equipment on the aircraft.