Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

[trackdemon]

And there was me thinking that depressurizing was guaranteed to take everyone out. Maybe not everyone.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-27100395

[B17NNS]

trackdemon said:

And there was me thinking that depressurizing was guaranteed to take everyone out. Maybe not everyone.....

I always thought a human couldn't survive that. It's not pressurised.

Seems 29,000ft is survivable for some.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_zone

[durbster]

onyx39 said:

Have you heard of this conspiracy theory about the disappearance of MH 370? The story goes like this:

America is withdrawing from Afghanistan...

A lot of Americans seem unable to accept that they're not involved in everything that happens in the world.

I blame Tom Clancy.

[backwoodsman]

Sorry if this has been asked, but I've not read the whole thread.

What is the longest time it has taken to find a passenger plane of this size?

I remember one took something like a year or two, if my memory serves me right.

[Halmyre]

durbster said:

onyx39 said:

Have you heard of this conspiracy theory about the disappearance of MH 370? The story goes like this:

America is withdrawing from Afghanistan...

A lot of Americans seem unable to accept that they're not involved in everything that happens in the world.

I blame Tom Clancy.

And he died recently, very conveniently*. The plot thickens. Three** Days of the Condor, anyone?

• - I'm not sure who it was convenient for, but I'm sure it was convenient

• - Six if you read the book, but the film is better

[Chrisgr31]

backwoodsman said:

Sorry if this has been asked, but I've not read the whole thread.

What is the longest time it has taken to find a passenger plane of this size?

I remember one took something like a year or two, if my memory serves me right.

I suspect it depends on your definition of find. The Air France aircraft that came down in the mid Atlantic took ages (year or two) to physically find on the ocean floor, however they had identified parts of it floating in the sea within a couple of days.

In this case they have not found anything to indicate where it is other than the pings.

[cayman-black]

So looking at the last lot of posts no one on PHs has a fking clue where this plane is!
Seems the authorities dont either, unbelievable.

[Zoobeef]

cayman-black said:

So looking at the last lot of posts no one on PHs has a fking clue where this plane is!
Seems the authorities dont either, unbelievable.

You understand the authorities not knowing, but PHs!? Seriously!? Mindboggling.

[Steffan]

Zoobeef said:

cayman-black said:

So looking at the last lot of posts no one on PHs has a fking clue where this plane is!
Seems the authorities dont either, unbelievable.

You understand the authorities not knowing, but PHs!? Seriously!? Mindboggling.

Excellent!

[backwoodsman]

Chrisgr31 said:

backwoodsman said:

Sorry if this has been asked, but I've not read the whole thread.

What is the longest time it has taken to find a passenger plane of this size?

I remember one took something like a year or two, if my memory serves me right.

I suspect it depends on your definition of find. The Air France aircraft that came down in the mid Atlantic took ages (year or two) to physically find on the ocean floor, however they had identified parts of it floating in the sea within a couple of days.

In this case they have not found anything to indicate where it is other than the pings.

That's the one I was thinking of.

I wasn't aware that it wasn't "lost" lost, looks like that was very different to this situation, and they at least had an idea where to start looking.

Thank you for clearing that up for me.

[Steffan]

backwoodsman said:

Chrisgr31 said:

backwoodsman said:

Sorry if this has been asked, but I've not read the whole thread.

What is the longest time it has taken to find a passenger plane of this size?

I remember one took something like a year or two, if my memory serves me right.

I suspect it depends on your definition of find. The Air France aircraft that came down in the mid Atlantic took ages (year or two) to physically find on the ocean floor, however they had identified parts of it floating in the sea within a couple of days.

In this case they have not found anything to indicate where it is other than the pings.

That's the one I was thinking of.

I wasn't aware that it wasn't "lost" lost, looks like that was very different to this situation, and they at least had an idea where to start looking.

Thank you for clearing that up for me.

From memory there was a Colombian plane that smashed to pieces in the mountains and was not found for over 20 years. When contributors comment that the only evidence we have of this plane having gone on the route now suggested and crashing in the IO depends on pings being from the black boxes (unlikely there are two others there) and the projected flight plan based on all available evidence. That seems to me to be a best guess which is certainly the current best guess that I have seen supported to any extent internationally.

There are various threads on here suggesting that the plane might be entirely elsewhere and that the absence of physical evidence thus far must suggest the plane in not where it is believed to be. I dislike all conspiracy theories because cock up, balls up and failure, those doyens of disaster causes, are generally much more reliable explanations IMO.

I do think that unless someone can find sustainable evidence that the plane is not where the experts at Immersat and all the aeronautical industry contributing to the enquiry appear to believe it now to be then it is reasonable to assume it is in that area. In time I think physical remains will be found in that area proving the crash site but given the extreme depths of the ocean and weather conditions pertaining this will take months if not years possibly longer. I do not think the matter is progressed by entirely speculative guesswork but I appreciate others may not agree. Each to their own.

[gaz1234]

surely the pings arent from the plane

[cayman-black]

gaz1234 said:

surely the pings arent from the plane

I dont think so. They have nothing imo . Now i dont even believe its in the sea.

[Slartifartfast]

gaz1234 said:

surely the ALLEGED pings arent from the plane

I think it needs that amendment!

[Jimbeaux]

durbster said:

onyx39 said:

Have you heard of this conspiracy theory about the disappearance of MH 370? The story goes like this:

America is withdrawing from Afghanistan...

A lot of Americans seem unable to accept that they're not involved in everything that happens in the world.

I blame Tom Clancy.

What?? Reading that theory, being involved would be the last thing we'd want. Meanwhile, our minisub continues to search for MH370.....

[TTmonkey]

gaz1234 said:

surely the pings arent from the plane

I think this too. One minute we're being told that its almost impossible in the vast and deep Indian Ocean to receive these pings because they are only powerful enough to travel a few thousand meters and the next we're told several vessels have reported them as if by a miracle.

As I understood it the ping from the data recorders was only powerful enough do help you pinpoint the recorder in the debris field itself. 3000 meter range. And yet the water depth is 4500 meters.

Some ones telling porkies somewhere,

[eldar]

TTmonkey said:

I think this too. One minute we're being told that its almost impossible in the vast and deep Indian Ocean to receive these pings because they are only powerful enough to travel a few thousand meters and the next we're told several vessels have reported them as if by a miracle.

As I understood it the ping from the data recorders was only powerful enough do help you pinpoint the recorder in the debris field itself. 3000 meter range. And yet the water depth is 4500 meters.

Some ones telling porkies somewhere,

They dangle the receiver on 3,500m of string and by some miracle they are in range. Clever, huh.

[jmorgan]

TTmonkey said:

Some ones telling porkies somewhere,

Is there an actual authoritative bit of info on this, rather than someone said?

Maybe they have not chucked one in the deeper parts to see if they can find it.

[TTmonkey]

eldar said:

They dangle the receiver on 3,500m of string and by some miracle they are in range. Clever, huh.

With that depth of water you'd still have to be within a few dozen kilometres, maximum, if what they originally reported as the strength of the data recorders pinger was at all accurate.

The first ship to hear the ping was a Chinese vessel which didn't use a towed array, they used surface level devices.
The Australians then dropped sonar buoys, again surface devices, whilst a ship was sent to the area.


The Chinese ship' reports were later totally discounted, as the Australians picked up their signals over 300 kilometres further away.

Which is still pretty lucky considering they originally said they were searching a huge area of the ocean with no confirmed wreckage spotted.

If their still searching in a years time, are we going to be saying "are they even looking in the right area?".

Or do they know the right area all along?

[TTmonkey]

jmorgan said:

TTmonkey said:

Some ones telling porkies somewhere,

Is there an actual authoritative bit of info on this, rather than someone said?

Maybe they have not chucked one in the deeper parts to see if they can find it.

What wiki says

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_locator_be...

2 - 6 kilometres.... Which must mean they must be almost on top of it to find it in 4500m depth of water.....

Doesn't stack up to me.