Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"
Discussion
Thankyou4calling said:
I still find the dissapearance fascinating. I'm no conspiracy theorist and would put the incident down to either pilot error, plane malfunction or deliberate (again by pilot)
The thing I can't get my head around is that no debris has been found. Originally we were looking for the equivalent of a grain of sand on a football pitch which, with the resources thrown at it would surely have been found by now.
I know the oceans are huge places but it just amazes me that not one of the 200 plus bodies has been washed up anywhere, not one positive sighting of a piece of luggage floating.
I find it astonishing and I know plenty will say about the scale of the area but with every modern technique and known to man to come up with zero in two months!
The scale of the latest search area is vast, that's not to say the aircraft is even in that search area. The thing I can't get my head around is that no debris has been found. Originally we were looking for the equivalent of a grain of sand on a football pitch which, with the resources thrown at it would surely have been found by now.
I know the oceans are huge places but it just amazes me that not one of the 200 plus bodies has been washed up anywhere, not one positive sighting of a piece of luggage floating.
I find it astonishing and I know plenty will say about the scale of the area but with every modern technique and known to man to come up with zero in two months!
Feel free to help the search though
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/mh370_indian_o...
I think any bodies in the area may well have been eaten long before the search started near Australia.
As for floating debris, again given the delay before searching the right area (possibly) it will all have become waterlogged and sunk by now. Especially given the stormy weather that frequently passes through the area.
I still have hope it will be found but the task faced is still enormous.
simo1863 said:
I totally agree. Was chatting with the brother in law over the weekend who suggested it wasn't an unusual occurrence and whilst it isn't for light aircraft, we did a bit of googling and nothing of this size has ever just disappeared without a trace.
How about this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Boeing_727-223_d...MarkRSi said:
How about this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Boeing_727-223_d...
Fair enough I suppose but that seems to have been stolen and stripped with no reported loss of life, not sure I'd class it as a crash/disappearance in the same vein.MarkRSi said:
How about this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Boeing_727-223_d...
Strange story, and although it shows that planes of this size can just "disappear" you would hope MH370 would be a slightly different case.I'm still not convince that a) it is anywhere near where they think it is or b) that there isn't significantly more to it than the general public have been led to believe.
B17NNS said:
Stripped? I thought it was stolen, transponder turned off, flew out over the Atlantic and it and it's occupants were never seen or heard of again.
Sorry, I've only just read the erratic manoeuvring and taking off with its lights off, probably not stolen and scrapped then!What I'm getting at is that it isn't a great mystery in the same sense and wasn't an active airliner full of passengers when it went missing.
2 months on and still no evidence of where the plane ended up.
Now it's being reported that the pings "consistent with those from an aircraft black box", that were detected in the ocean, may have been from marine life tracking devices. And the satellite ping data that proved "beyond any reasonable doubt" that the plane went down in the southern ocean, is to be looked at again.
Apparently the Malaysian authorities have released a 5 page "preliminary report" into the disappearance of MH370. Is this available on-line? I've had a quick search but can't find anything.
Now it's being reported that the pings "consistent with those from an aircraft black box", that were detected in the ocean, may have been from marine life tracking devices. And the satellite ping data that proved "beyond any reasonable doubt" that the plane went down in the southern ocean, is to be looked at again.
Apparently the Malaysian authorities have released a 5 page "preliminary report" into the disappearance of MH370. Is this available on-line? I've had a quick search but can't find anything.
GSE said:
Now it's being reported that the pings "consistent with those from an aircraft black box", that were detected in the ocean, may have been from marine life tracking devices.
Who the f
k thought it would be a good idea to design 'marine life tracking devices' that gave out a signal similar to that of an emergency device such as an aircraft black box ?GSE said:
2 months on and still no evidence of where the plane ended up.
Now it's being reported that the pings "consistent with those from an aircraft black box", that were detected in the ocean, may have been from marine life tracking devices. And the satellite ping data that proved "beyond any reasonable doubt" that the plane went down in the southern ocean, is to be looked at again.
Apparently the Malaysian authorities have released a 5 page "preliminary report" into the disappearance of MH370. Is this available on-line? I've had a quick search but can't find anything.
Its all hereNow it's being reported that the pings "consistent with those from an aircraft black box", that were detected in the ocean, may have been from marine life tracking devices. And the satellite ping data that proved "beyond any reasonable doubt" that the plane went down in the southern ocean, is to be looked at again.
Apparently the Malaysian authorities have released a 5 page "preliminary report" into the disappearance of MH370. Is this available on-line? I've had a quick search but can't find anything.
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-a...
Mr Trophy said:
MartG said:
Who the fk thought it would be a good idea to design 'marine life tracking devices' that gave out a signal similar to that of an emergency device such as an aircraft black box ?
k thought it would be a good idea to design 'marine life tracking devices' that gave out a signal similar to that of an emergency device such as an aircraft black box ?
madness!king a football.MartG said:
Who the fk thought it would be a good idea to design 'marine life tracking devices' that gave out a signal similar to that of an emergency device such as an aircraft black box ?
I know "with hindsight" it appears obvious, but you would have thought that the black boxes would have some form of addressing within the signal. They could have immediately ruled out what appear to have been several false leads. The black boxes themselves look like very old technology to me - huge boxes with reel-to-reel tape in them? They look like 1960's nasa hardware. Now days you can store 60gb on a memory card the size of a fingernail, so surely it's about time they were updated. k thought it would be a good idea to design 'marine life tracking devices' that gave out a signal similar to that of an emergency device such as an aircraft black box ?The interim report doesn't tell us much new. The map showing the route the plane took after the turn-back now shows that it didn't zig-zag around the gival/vampi/igrex waypoins after it crossed the malacca straights, as reported early on, but took a more direct westerly path, before (allegedly) turning south.
If it went south and crashed into the sea, why didn't the emergency beacons activate?
Malaysian gov said:
Malaysian military radar did track an aircraft making a turn-back, in a westerly direction, across peninsular Malaysia on the morning of 8 March. The aircraft was categorised as friendly by the radar operator and therefore no further action was taken at the time
How does an unidentified aircraft (just a radar blip with no transponder information) making an unauthorised turn back across your country, get categorised as friendly?Edited by GSE on Thursday 8th May 12:49
GSE said:
I know "with hindsight" it appears obvious, but you would have thought that the black boxes would have some form of addressing within the signal. They could have immediately ruled out what appear to have been several false leads. The black boxes themselves look like very old technology to me - huge boxes with reel-to-reel tape in them? They look like 1960's nasa hardware. Now days you can store 60gb on a memory card the size of a fingernail, so surely it's about time they were updated.
Agreed - surely a modern flash memory device could be made that would meet the same survivability requirements as the existing storage method, while at the same time providing much more capacity ( so for example the '2 hours before being overwritten' limitation on the CVR would no longer exist ). I'm also surprised that one of the black boxes isn't designed and located in such a way that it would automatically break free and float to the surface if an aircraft sinks.MartG said:
I'm also surprised that one of the black boxes isn't designed and located in such a way that it would automatically break free and float to the surface if an aircraft sinks.
Can't be that difficult, I believe they have such a device on ships transponders located on the wings of the bridge, they release on hydrostatic water like at a depth of 10 msw.I am sure the black box could be installed somewhere on top of the aircraft, maybe two of them with long recording facilities, can't be rocket science can it?
MartG said:
GSE said:
I know "with hindsight" it appears obvious, but you would have thought that the black boxes would have some form of addressing within the signal. They could have immediately ruled out what appear to have been several false leads. The black boxes themselves look like very old technology to me - huge boxes with reel-to-reel tape in them? They look like 1960's nasa hardware. Now days you can store 60gb on a memory card the size of a fingernail, so surely it's about time they were updated.
Agreed - surely a modern flash memory device could be made that would meet the same survivability requirements as the existing storage method, while at the same time providing much more capacity ( so for example the '2 hours before being overwritten' limitation on the CVR would no longer exist ). I'm also surprised that one of the black boxes isn't designed and located in such a way that it would automatically break free and float to the surface if an aircraft sinks.On that vein, why are we even limiting ourselves these days to ONE black box in an aircraft? Why can't we have two, three, however many, replicating the same data. All in different locations within the plane, and as said above, with some kind of flotation device. It does seem a rather archaic solution considering the planes these things are being placed in these days are made out of composite materials, have digital fibre AV systems etc etc.
Mr Trophy said:
madness!It's surprising the ping interval is 1 second too since that was supposed to be one of the 'key characteristics' which allow the black box to be identified, apparently.
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