Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

[B17NNS]

Mojocvh said:

pprune thread has some disturbing info re releasing of information pertaining to immersat and underwater pings to the representatives of the bereaved.

Want to give us a brief synopsis?

[anonymous-user]

[quote=Max_Torque]What we know beyond reasonable doubt:

1) the plane is lost.
2) the crew and passengers are dead.



What we don't know:

3) everything else



[/quote

Actually 2) is not known either
So all we know, as on the first post on page 1, the plane is missing

[AreOut]

Thankyou4calling said:

It's far from safe to assume anything. Little strong evidence at all so far so assumptions are based on very flimsy info.

radar picture over Malacca Strait is enough evidence it was manually flown with not the best intention, no known autopilot flies like that

AdeTuono said:

Are you adding this to all your other theories of what definitely happened?

nah, it's already the part of my theory which I don't state it's what really happened, just leave that as a possibility which fits filtering all known facts

[gaz1234]

Jimboka]ax_Torque said:

What we know beyond reasonable doubt:

1) the plane is lost.
2) the crew and passengers are dead.



What we don't know:

3) everything else



[/quote

Actually 2) is not known either
So all we know, as on the first post on page 1, the plane is missing

And 4) m135i not m car

[Lefty]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/478038/Stray-b...

[Vaud]

Lefty said:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/478038/Stray-b...

What a load of crap.

[Steffan]

Vaud said:

Lefty said:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/478038/Stray-b...

What a load of crap.

Yes, it is a pretty poor story aimed at selling a book on this subject which hypothesise on the possible causes with absolutely no regard for the facts. A story written purely for profit with no regard for whether there is any evidence to support those suggestions. That is of course one of the problems that the absolute lack of any real evidence or facts being available on the matter can give rise to and in this case it has. Pity.

[CAPP0]

Steffan said:

Yes, it is a pretty poor story aimed at selling a book on this subject which hypothesise on the possible causes with absolutely no regard for the facts. A story written purely for profit with no regard for whether there is any evidence to support those suggestions. That is of course one of the problems that the absolute lack of any real evidence or facts being available on the matter can give rise to and in this case it has. Pity.

Change the odd word/phrase here and there and you have a pretty accurate synopsis of this thread:

Yes, it is a pretty poor bunch of rehashed replies aimed at keeping a thread going on this subject which hypothesises on the possible causes with absolutely no knowledge of for the facts. Replies often written for the sake of said hypothesis with no regard for whether there is any evidence to support those suggestions. That is of course one of the problems that the absolute lack of any real evidence or facts being available on the matter can give rise to and in this case it has. Pity.

[Steffan]

CAPP0 said:

Steffan said:

Yes, it is a pretty poor story aimed at selling a book on this subject which hypothesise on the possible causes with absolutely no regard for the facts. A story written purely for profit with no regard for whether there is any evidence to support those suggestions. That is of course one of the problems that the absolute lack of any real evidence or facts being available on the matter can give rise to and in this case it has. Pity.

Change the odd word/phrase here and there and you have a pretty accurate synopsis of this thread:

Yes, it is a pretty poor bunch of rehashed replies aimed at keeping a thread going on this subject which hypothesises on the possible causes with absolutely no knowledge of for the facts. Replies often written for the sake of said hypothesis with no regard for whether there is any evidence to support those suggestions. That is of course one of the problems that the absolute lack of any real evidence or facts being available on the matter can give rise to and in this case it has. Pity.

Imitation being the most sincere form of flattery in the words of Mr Wilde, I should perhaps be flattered. However there is one fundamental difference. The writer of the book is seeking reward for her opinions. So far as I know no PH contributor seeks such reward. There is the difference. No one on here is seeking to profit from their opinions. You may be right and both sets of opinions may be of little value. But at least ours are made freely.

[eccles]

Vaud said:

Lefty said:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/478038/Stray-b...

What a load of crap.

Indeed. They're trying to say that oxygen masks don't deploy if there's a gradual decompression of the cabin!

[Mojocvh]

Some "gen" below.

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/2014/considera...

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/2014/intensifi...

[Vipers]

eccles said:

Vaud said:

Lefty said:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/478038/Stray-b...

What a load of crap.

Indeed. They're trying to say that oxygen masks don't deploy if there's a gradual decompression of the cabin!

Question because I don't know the answer, is the deployment of masks dependent on rate of depression, or is there a PPO2 meter to keep an eye on the Partial Pressure of Oxygen in the plane, this would pick up a drop of PPO2 due to the slow loss of pressure, as the partial pressure would drop?

I am involved in altitude work, where we reduce the pressure to simulate altitude, and we have PPO2 meter constantly measuring the PPO2 during the operation.

[anonymous-user]

Vipers, the masks deploy automatically when the cabin altitude rises to 13,500 ft regardless or rate of climb. There are other warning though as the cabin altitude rises above 10,000ft

[Rollcage]

The hull of the Cheeki Rafiki was found in pretty short order compared to this!

[Steffan]

Rollcage said:

The hull of the Cheeki Rafiki was found in pretty short order compared to this!

Ain't that the truth! Regrettably it seems that the demise of this airplane is as yet not certain and it's whereabouts equally unclear. From all the commentary in this case it seems likely to be some time before the facts in this case are known, if these facts are actually ever discovered and made public. I do hope they are to allow closure for the bereaved and an explanation for the airplane business. But who knows when, indeed if, this will be?

[kev1974]

Rollcage said:

The hull of the Cheeki Rafiki was found in pretty short order compared to this!

Well yeah but in MUCH busier shipping lanes and I believe its crew or seawater entering the boat had set off a distress beacon, if not a beacon they certainly radioed their location before they went down.

[Vipers]

el stovey said:

Vipers, the masks deploy automatically when the cabin altitude rises to 13,500 ft regardless or rate of climb. There are other warning though as the cabin altitude rises above 10,000ft

Tks for that.

[Mr GrimNasty]

kev1974 said:

Rollcage said:

The hull of the Cheeki Rafiki was found in pretty short order compared to this!

Well yeah but in MUCH busier shipping lanes and I believe its crew or seawater entering the boat had set off a distress beacon, if not a beacon they certainly radioed their location before they went down.

As said, they had an accurate start position. And it was already found once in response to the initial distress, they only had to re-find it. Much simpler job.

[jmorgan]

Looks like they have released some of the data from the pings (Inmarsat stuff).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27576409

[Halmyre]

Rollcage said:

The hull of the Cheeki Rafiki was found in pretty short order compared to this!

As an aside (and probably in bad taste), it's hard to inject some gravitas into a news story about dead sailors when your boat is called the 'Cheeki Rafiki'.