Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"
Discussion
kiethton said:
twice is ripe for wacky conspiracy theories.Dr Jekyll said:
The amount of wreckage left after the Ukrainian shootdown does make it look even less likely that MH370 was shot down.
What's the connection other than we don't know what happen to the first one and we know what happened to the second?Are you linking a known debris field in a precise location with an unknown possible impact in an unknown place?
Vaud said:
Dr Jekyll said:
The amount of wreckage left after the Ukrainian shootdown does make it look even less likely that MH370 was shot down.
What's the connection other than we don't know what happen to the first one and we know what happened to the second?Are you linking a known debris field in a precise location with an unknown possible impact in an unknown place?
It s too early to draw any conclusions in either cases or both cases yet. It reminds us all of the awful evil forces there are in the world and the extent to which security forces need to be vigilant with international travel by Air Sea and Land. This is a cruel world for the poor unfortunates who were unwittingly involved in these tragedies.
I think we should all remeber in discussing this that literally hundreds of parents, partners, wives, husbands, friends and family have had their lives ruined forever by these two events. For those people life will never be the same again. Ever. For those killed in the these dreadful events there is simply no life. Tragedy of epic proportions and we must not forget that in our discussions on this subject.
Vaud said:
Dr Jekyll said:
The amount of wreckage left after the Ukrainian shootdown does make it look even less likely that MH370 was shot down.
What's the connection other than we don't know what happen to the first one and we know what happened to the second?Are you linking a known debris field in a precise location with an unknown possible impact in an unknown place?
Some suggested that the lack of debris found from MH370 could be explained by an anti aircraft missile blowing the aircraft into tiny pieces. I suggested at the time that this wouldn't happen, that recognisable wreckage would still be left after a missile strike, and I got flamed for it.
Dr Jekyll said:
No.
Some suggested that the lack of debris found from MH370 could be explained by an anti aircraft missile blowing the aircraft into tiny pieces. I suggested at the time that this wouldn't happen, that recognisable wreckage would still be left after a missile strike, and I got flamed for it.
Ah, in that I generally agree. Understood.Some suggested that the lack of debris found from MH370 could be explained by an anti aircraft missile blowing the aircraft into tiny pieces. I suggested at the time that this wouldn't happen, that recognisable wreckage would still be left after a missile strike, and I got flamed for it.
GreatPretender said:
GALLARDOGUY said:
Who on earth will ever want to use that airline again?
Me. Tomorrow.Still, at least I'll have my feet up, slurping a nice Merlot when I meet my firey demise.
I wouldn't worry about it.
M4cruiser said:
So where is the "black box" of MH17? Once again we find ourselves needing a tamper-proof GPS transmitter as part of the black box. That's twice in 5 months.
They have transponders that work over short distances.Do you mean is a gps locator (which would then be reliant on being roughly in the open) with a transmitter powerful enough for it's location to be picked up from hundreds of miles?
As for the other case, they aren't much use under 7-8 miles of water.
jmorgan said:
I expect it is being "looked after" for "safe keeping" and might have "accidentally been turned off".
Indeed. I rather think those frequently proposed explanations are about where the pundits will jump. I have deep sympathy for the tragedy of two aircraft lost with all hands and the huge tragic consequences that affect thousands and thousands of individuals worldwide in consequence. What we are not getting is straight forward honest open interpretation of the known facts and instead bland suggestions such as those displayed above are the reality of the level of information actually expounded in the media. The confirmed facts are absolutely miminal in the case of MH 370. At least with the second tragey with the Malaysian airlines plane lost in the Ukraine we know it was brought down and we know all the passengers and crew are dead. From everything I have read about the earlier loss there are very few certainties and a huge number of possibilities. I do not think the media coverage to date has been very much help because I think the meda have few facts and e
ven less confirmed information, as yet, to build upon.
It does seem probable that the two events will become interlinked primarily because they were Malaysian Airlines planes. Other than that fact, the actual connections are less obvious. I think the second tragedy has yet again confirmed what a danger the kind of fighting with modern weaponry can present to entirely innocent and unconnected targets. Whether these tragedies will result in fundamental changes to the collection and retention of data from the flights and a safer system for air traffic remains to be seen. It could well be a very long time before the MH 370 tragedy is revealed in detail if in fact a full explanation is provided in time. I do hoe it will be.
More than anything I think the former, rather unfortunately, has shown what the media (including social media) is capable of.
With no disrespect to both these incidents, I wonder how they will rate on the innocents in Syria. Not meaning to detract from anything, it is an observation that keeps niggling me.
With no disrespect to both these incidents, I wonder how they will rate on the innocents in Syria. Not meaning to detract from anything, it is an observation that keeps niggling me.
Malaysia are offering refunds to people who don't want to fly with them anymore. This latest incident wouldn't affect my confidence as much as of it were another unexplained disappearance, pilot error or mechanical failure though. Wrong place, wrong time - unless the pilot plotted a route they shouldn't have.
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