Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

[Megaflow]

9000km2 mapped and no obvious signs of anything down there, assuming they are searching the correct ish areas, and assuming it didn't go down intact, you'd have expected to seen some debris.

So, is it intact or is it somewhere else?

[MartG]

The mapping is just the first stage of the search - they need to know the sea bottom contours so when they're trailing an ROV with sidescan sonar they don't crash it into the side of a mountain. The bathymetry sonar probably doesn't have the resolution to spot any wreckage

[AreOut]

no they have searched 9000 km2 and mapped much more if I got them right

as the time goes by they will just widen the area and if they continue with their stubborn strategy they will run out of money before they find anything

somehow I think they would change an assumption or two if they paid for it from their own pocket

[jmorgan]

At least it is ruling out stuff.

[Welshbeef]

What is very odd is in all this time no one anywhere has found any debris washed ashore. Now I appreciate it might be indifferent to other sea trash washing up so might be simply overlooked OR its on a totally remote part of a beach yet to be discovered.

At what speed and angle would a plane shaped object need to hit the water at for all debris to be so deep that currents keep it down? Was it a stormy night big waves or pretty calm? Long or short wave lengths?


Given the Russia issues any links possible? What was similar between the two planes apart from the fact its the same airline?
Did it hit turbulence and let's say it dropped 25,000 feet would that have caused all to pass out ?

[anonymous-user]

motomk said:

Some info on what they are up to.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-12/mh370-new-vi...

http://www.jacc.gov.au/families/operational_report...

From the article.

"Victims' families take action

Families of the missing passengers continue to wait anxiously for news, and some suspect a cover-up.

In June they launched a drive to raise a reward for any insider who solves the mystery of the plane's disappearance.

The Reward MH370 campaign was launched on fundraising website Indiegogo.

It had raised more than $US100,000 by August."

Areout, did you read this? You must be in line for some of that cash surely.

[eccles]

Welshbeef said:

What is very odd is in all this time no one anywhere has found any debris washed ashore. Now I appreciate it might be indifferent to other sea trash washing up so might be simply overlooked OR its on a totally remote part of a beach yet to be discovered.

At what speed and angle would a plane shaped object need to hit the water at for all debris to be so deep that currents keep it down? Was it a stormy night big waves or pretty calm? Long or short wave lengths?


Given the Russia issues any links possible? What was similar between the two planes apart from the fact its the same airline?
Did it hit turbulence and let's say it dropped 25,000 feet would that have caused all to pass out ?

I find the complete lack of anything being washed up quite strange as well.
Many years ago a Hawk trainer from Valley nose dived into the sea off Anglesey, most of the wreckage was brought up, but people were handing bits of it in or reporting for quite a while after, and some of from quite a way down the coast.
I do appreciate the scale of a Hawk and the Welsh coast are tiny in comparison, but I still find it strange that no passing ship has spotted anything, or that any bits have washed up.

[AreOut]

el stovey said:

From the article.

"Victims' families take action

Families of the missing passengers continue to wait anxiously for news, and some suspect a cover-up.

In June they launched a drive to raise a reward for any insider who solves the mystery of the plane's disappearance.

The Reward MH370 campaign was launched on fundraising website Indiegogo.

It had raised more than $US100,000 by August."

Areout, did you read this? You must be in line for some of that cash surely.

I'm not after cash especially in tragedies, sorry because I don't think your way.

[AdeTuono]

AreOut said:

el stovey said:

From the article.

"Victims' families take action

Families of the missing passengers continue to wait anxiously for news, and some suspect a cover-up.

In June they launched a drive to raise a reward for any insider who solves the mystery of the plane's disappearance.

The Reward MH370 campaign was launched on fundraising website Indiegogo.

It had raised more than $US100,000 by August."

Areout, did you read this? You must be in line for some of that cash surely.

I'm not after cash especially in tragedies, sorry because I don't think your way.

But just think; your name could go down in history, and not just in the annals of PH. You'd be famous!!

[AreOut]

I just don't care the most important thing is to find the damn plane

[Starfighter]

Assuming that the aircraft was running on autopilot with a stable course, height and airspeed, does anyone on here know what the flight control systems would do in the event of a single flame-out and then a second?

I know that the flight crews check list would include an attempt to restart followed by a controlled decent and reduction in airspeed to match the single engine performance followed by a divert. Would the automatic systems do something similar and could the aircraft effectively ditch on autopilot though without the use of flaps etc

[AreOut]

Starfighter said:

Assuming that the aircraft was running on autopilot with a stable course, height and airspeed, does anyone on here know what the flight control systems would do in the event of a single flame-out and then a second?

I know that the flight crews check list would include an attempt to restart followed by a controlled decent and reduction in airspeed to match the single engine performance followed by a divert. Would the automatic systems do something similar and could the aircraft effectively ditch on autopilot though without the use of flaps etc

it would crash with a lot of debris

P.S.

http://jeffwise.net/2014/11/25/why-mh370-search-of...

Edited by AreOut on Sunday 14th December 19:06

[Lefty]

Interesting link, ta

[davepoth]

AreOut said:

it would crash with a lot of debris

Edited by AreOut on Sunday 14th December 19:06

It would probably crash with a lot of debris. It's by no means certain; nothing in this is.

[AreOut]

davepoth said:

It would probably crash with a lot of debris. It's by no means certain; nothing in this is.

yeah, with 99,9999% probability, you nitpicker

edit :

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/latest/a/2577054...

Edited by AreOut on Sunday 14th December 23:45

[onyx39]

Not seen this posted before (although I have not been following this thread closely)
A bunch of sources saying that the yanks shot it down because they feared a suicide attack on Diego Garcia?

I suppose it sounds feasible.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2883651/U-...

Edited by onyx39 on Tuesday 23 December 02:33

[Vipers]

onyx39 said:

Not seen this posted before (although I have not been following this thread closely)
A bunch of sources saying that the yanks shot it down because they feared a suicide attack on Diego Garcia?

I suppose it sounds feasible.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2883651/U-...

Edited by onyx39 on Tuesday 23 December 02:33

As soon as I read Diego Garcia, and the Americans mentioned, I think it's pluasable. Maybe it's true, gues we will never know.

[Vaud]

Fortunately the U.S. leaks prolifically, so I doubt it.

[AreOut]

it was far from Diego Garcia when it turned south

[saaby93]

onyx39 said:

Not seen this posted before (although I have not been following this thread closely)
A bunch of sources saying that the yanks shot it down because they feared a suicide attack on Diego Garcia?

I suppose it sounds feasible.

Almost anything can be considered feasible
(except maybe the PH search!)
Instead of Yanks choose anyone else, instead of Diego Garcia a landing strip anywhere

One day they'll open a run down barn on a deserted farm ....